doctorow at January 16th, 2014 18:01 — #1
starshine at January 16th, 2014 18:15 — #2
If the over/under was 0.5, I'd take the under.
mtierce at January 16th, 2014 18:19 — #3
I predict minimal scores. This is Obama, who betrayed every position he held as a senator on these issues.
No way will he actually do anything meaningful.
hungryjoe at January 16th, 2014 18:19 — #4
I am going to Hope for the best on this one.
oldtaku at January 16th, 2014 18:20 — #5
Law of headlines asking questions wins again ('No').
Even if he does say something that sounds like he's getting tough, it will just end up like his Big Plan on transferring drone killings from the CIA to the DoD... going absolutely nowhere.
mtierce at January 16th, 2014 18:26 — #6
Just saw this, Bruce Schneier has an interesting post on his blog. Apparently he briefed some members of Congress today: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/01/today_i_briefed.html
Its surreal and the implications are truly frightening.
churba at January 16th, 2014 18:35 — #7
As a Foreigner, at least, to people in the US, I suppose, I've got to give the EFF props on one particular point above the others - they're literally the first American Organization, or even just American anything, giving a single shit about the NSA violating the privacy of non-Americans. It was always met with an "It's not your issue, it's ours" or even worse, "Yeah, but it's okay to spy on you, because everybody spies on everybody else, we just don't want them spying on US."
Which is funny, because I don't recall the bill of rights being phrased as "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, unless you're not American, in which case you can fuck right off."
imb at January 16th, 2014 18:41 — #8
I think it's implied.
jimr1603 at January 16th, 2014 18:53 — #9
I'd expect a better score on bullshit bingo. Mildly disappointed there isn't already one linked in the comments.
churba at January 16th, 2014 20:15 — #10
Judging by the people I heard respond as I mentioned, I'd say that you're not alone in thinking so, just alone in the part where you're joking.
filthyhabits101 at January 16th, 2014 20:49 — #11
As for the first item on the list it's an easy answer for him. It is unconstitutional.
Look up "The trial, first scene" on youtube. That is what this will end with if we don't start talking about the rights of free human beings and our rights as citizens.
melted_crayons at January 16th, 2014 21:21 — #12
I expect the appearance of reform,.
ldobe at January 16th, 2014 22:06 — #13
For some reason, your post got a wire crossed with pokemon in my mind:
A Wild REFORM appeared.
Obama used equivocation. It's Super Effective!
Wild REFORM ran away.
imb at January 16th, 2014 22:14 — #14
Not sure I'm joking, I imagine this is someone's interpretation/opinion right now on the Supreme Court.
churba at January 16th, 2014 22:30 — #15
Surprisingly not. I've been told multiple times by various people whose business it is to know(mostly immigration lawyers, but not exclusively), if you're a foreign citizen within US borders, or if a US official is dealing with you in some fashion, then you are afforded practically the same protections and privileges afforded to a US citizen as enumerated in the bill of rights in your dealings either within the US or with US officials, in most circumstances. At least to the best of my knowledge and memory.
robulus at January 16th, 2014 22:51 — #16
NSA Reform Drinking Game! Skull your beer whenever you tick a box! Drive home stone cold fucking sober!
laynesk at January 16th, 2014 23:47 — #17
Short answer to "Will Obama hit the mark for real NSA reform?" :
Anyone who seriously expects him to start giving a shit about relinquishing power and respecting the law/Constitution at this point in the game is either completey delusional or happy to be finally out of that coma.
mythicalme at January 17th, 2014 01:22 — #18
True. Any person within US borders is afforded the rights granted by the Bill of Rights.
awjt at January 17th, 2014 01:34 — #19
billstewart at January 17th, 2014 01:36 — #20
I was expecting to play the other side of the NSA Reform Drinking Game - Any time Obama says he's going to "reform" some piece of it in a way that obviously isn't going to reduce actual NSA eavesdropping and abuses, you take a drink.
You do have to play that side at home on your couch, though, because you're not driving anywhere after drinking that much.
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