maggiekb at September 4th, 2013 14:21 — #1
armahillo at September 4th, 2013 15:51 — #2
IIRC, weren't antibiotics introduced to animals because of the mastitis they would incur from being pumped full of hormones and having engorged teats for prolonged periods of time?
maggiekb at September 4th, 2013 16:16 — #3
That might be part of why they're used today (I think you're right, but I'm not 100% certain). But it doesn't seem to be the reason they were originally brought into use.
greenberger at September 4th, 2013 16:17 — #4
Well, there's a lot to this issue and the article, while probably accurate in its own way, is only the tip of the iceberg. Different animals have had different antibiotics introduced into their feed for different reasons. As animals live in closer and closer quarters, i.e. dirtier and dirtier germ-labs, they've needed antibiotics to keep them from getting sick. That's one issue. Cows and hormones are another issue. And so on. But it's safe to say that in all cases, the "need" for more and faster and cheaper food is what has driven this, and that the outcome of antibiotics is now pretty clear, even if not 100% conclusive.
The article asks "how much more would we be willing to pay to not have antibiotics?" and the answer is already here- just look at farmers' markets and CSA's for the answer. Those of us who care pay "a lot" more because we realize that food prices are artificially low, and that if you factor in all the medical issues, government subsidies and so on that goes into the "cheaper" food, it's actually not so cheap. So bypassing that whole system and eating something raised better costs more in the short term and is cheaper in the long term.
As for farmers, they don't actually like using antibiotics because they cost money. But they don't really have a choice at this point- they're too invested in current farming infrastructure to just stop using antibiotics. It would mean an entire shift to a different kind of farming and they're just not going to do that after doing it the same way for 50 years. Hopefully, their kids who are not married to such ideas are more open to trying things differently.
dan_oelke at September 4th, 2013 18:16 — #5
No - mastitis was not why low dose antibiotics were introduced to animal feed.
Mastitis is treated with antibiotics - but it is only when mastitis occurs and that is relatively rarely. When antibiotics are used to treat mastitis (or any other illness in dairy animals) there is a hold off period before the milk can be used. That hold off period allows the antibiotic to be broken down or flushed from the animal. This would be therapeutic doses of antibiotics, not sub-therapeutic doses as the article was talking about.
And mastitis is not because all cows are pumped full of hormones and sit around with engorged teats for prolonged periods of time. First - many (most) farmers don't use the hormones because they often cost as much (or more) than the additional milk the farmer gets. Second - a farmer who lets a cow have an engorged udder is loosing money so they don't let that happen. If the udder is full, milk production slows or stops. Less milk means less money for the farmer. And it slows down production both in the short term (i.e. you get less milk that day) and the long term (i.e. the daily average for the cow will decrease even after they start being milked on a regular basis again).
maggiekb at September 9th, 2013 14:21 — #6
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