When was the last time weed was used to kill a bunch of people?
Also, read the linked article, when was Australia’s last mass shooting?
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I assume you mean the UK and Australia an the like. They didn’t have as bad gun violence BEFORE their laws. In general they had less violent crime compared to the US even before thew new laws.
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They both had massive crack downs and turn ins. Of course if you removed ALL the guns it would reduce the pool for people illegal guns. Great. I just can’t support such a fascist move. YMMV.
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Other countries like Mexico also have very strict gun laws. IIRC you can’t even own a gun in a “military” caliber, like 9mm. Its all weird calibers like .38 super. But I am sure you have read the news and know of the horrible, awful, barbaric violence by both the Cartel, and bad crime rate in general.
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Ultimate point - the REASONS behind the violence will be what fuels violence - guns or no guns. Violent crime in the US is mostly in poor areas. I think the UK’s and Europe’s lower violence rate is more a reflection of their poor being better off than ours.
You’re saying people don’t die because of the illegal weed trade and the drug trade in general?
That there is a CAUSE of a lot of the violence.
Shootings have become an Internet Meme.
It gets you hits on your favorite forum.
I think guns are awful appalling things, but I do agree just focusing on them is simplistic. It’s the culture that’s built around them. The way they have become a part of society. Part of peoples thought patterns.
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Well, that’s your fucked up drug laws innit.
And, I’m done. Reap what you sow mate.
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How many gun owners does it take to screw a lightbulb?
Beats me, but it takes only one to screw up the lives of hundreds of innocent people.
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I mentioned the stats in my comment.
That quote you pulled was about the lone gunman style events like this one. I don’t know the stat off hand but there are probably less than ten of those a year.
The vast majority of mass shootings are about drive-by’s and domestic murder suicides. a lot of the drive by’s don’t end in a fatality.
Huh so why bother at all eh? Just submit to the murderers coz they’ll get ya in the end.
I’m sorry but nothing you say at all has any merit.
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Sigh. My point is using the UK as an example that gun control works doesn’t fly with me. It isn’t a good example. It would be like saying we “we outlawed sharks in Kansas, and now we have no shark attacks.” And the UK is hardly a shiny beacon of safety, as they are now marketing non-stabby kitchen knives and passing anti-knife laws.
Finally, I am sure that is exactly what Nixon said when he started the war on drugs - “What, we are just supposed to sit here and no nothing?” I am sure he too thought if they just got rid of it all, it would keep people from doing it.
The probably thought that during prohibition too.
You shouldn’t make sweeping laws that affect 1/3rd of a nation just to “see what happens”. You can rationally argue what will or won’t happen with passing of such laws.
What do you think about the buy-back achieved in Australia after the Port Arthur massacre?
Are Americans just too ornery, or too committed to gun ownership, or too weighed down by history, or too surrounded by such a huge proliferation of guns or something?
Your position seems to be that no legal solution could work but I’m imagining that the unspoken addendum to that argument is that no legal solution could work in America.
ETA: I see you’ve sort of tangentially addressed Australia whilst I was looking for the name of their massacre-turning-point but I’d appreciate an elaboration.
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I was intruigued by that stance so I googled it:
The last one has some good figures in a table too, could you elaborate? Maybe you mean something slightly more sophisticated than a direct comparison, like, maybe you mean that US super-poor are way more poor than the UK super-poor? Or something?
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Just to make it explicit, I’m making an effort not to be offensive or anything. I am curious and in a fairly non-combative disposition right now if you would like to get into it. 
I’m dropping an @ in here because you probably saw my first edit and thought I was just ignoring your previous posts. @Mister44
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I’d rather be stabbed than shot any day.
You also shouldn’t have a country where almost daily mass shootings are a thing, but hey. you keep your bang bang shoot shoot toys coz freedom above the life of innocents, amirite
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http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2014
Here, look at the data.
Do you think anything needs doing? What? Do you actively support any campaigns/politicians trying to do that (whatever it might be)?
Or do you just accept it as part of living in the US (freedom?) and put up with it?
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Goddammit, can we please stop talking about stricter gun laws as if it means that people won’t be able to own/buy them anymore?
I mean, jesus on a pogo stick, the NRA nuts effectively want NO controls. They are insane.
Look what happened in AUS. It worked. And people still own guns.
Now, there is no doubt that part of the problem is the culture in the USA as was the focus and the questions behind Bowling for Columbine. But still. We need better gun laws.
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Well. Y’all sort of do have to just put up with it.
Isn’t that just terribly defeatist?
At least everyone should accept that mass shootings are utterly unacceptable.
If gun control isn’t the answer, and action on poverty and better access to mental healthcare is, or something, I’d like to see people stand up for that and do something.
Not just shrug their heads and act as if nothing can be done. Is ‘a good guy with a gun’ really it?
Too hard to solve, solution too painful, so you pays your money and takes your chance? That’s it?
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Australia absolutely has its share of Gun Fetishists. After Port Arthur, you had people burying guns in shipping and so forth.
I think the difference is that the US gunners fought harder to keep their place in society. In Australia, guns were successfully shunned… they got the Smoking treatment. They didn’t have a Charlton Heston to defend them.
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Yeah, I should have articulated that more carefully.
You’ve had to put up with it and for the foreseeable future will continue to have to put up with it and in the future, barring some seemingly impossible shift in social consciousness will have to keep on keepin on putting up with it.
Do you, like @Mister44, think the economic component is a central factor?
Oh and I do believe that it’s possible and don’t mean to come off as defeatist. But for sure the reality is an awful thing, up with which you have to put.
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If he hasn’t been in trouble, he would pass a background check at a store. [/quote]
Unless certain mental health diagnoses disqualify you from firearm ownership, which would have stopped the Virginia Tech shooter.
[quote]And WHO is failing to report stolen guns? I don’t know about you, but when my stuff gets stolen, I report it. Where is your data that is even an issue?
Criminals get their guns mainly from a network of friends and family. They have a cousin or a friend do a straw purchase. That is very hard for someone to prevent.[/quote]
And what do these people tell the cops when they come to them and say “Hey, this gun you bought was used in a shooting.” Do you think they say, “Oh, I sold that to my cousin, Marvin!” No, they say “Oh, that got stolen.”
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I recall in another thread that the cops in Australia (IIRC) come in and sit down and talk to you about renewing your gun license. Tell me, do you think the cops in say Furgeson should be the ones to determine who deserves a license or not? That’s the other thing we so quickly forget.[/quote]
Hello straw man.
So you think, instead, that having the populace armed to the teeth for their “target” shooting is the better option. I get it.
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So let’s not even try!
I get it. You want to keep your guns.
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And Germany…and the Netherlands…and France…and Spain…and…and…and…
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