And the main reason for those who did is going to become very evident in the next few years: our economy is about to be screwed over royally. If you have any understanding of the complexity of business, finance, etc. you know that Trump is a disaster.
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Its hard to see that kind of resolution from that map, but according to the map on this page, Austin and San Antonio (or at least their downtowns) both voted Clinton. I couldn’t find a similar page for Kansas City.Also, if you click through to the NYT article with the maps, there’s some overlays.
Edited to remove the “[voted trump]” from the quote, since apparently Knoxblox wasn’t saying they voted Trump. Oops and apologies!
Clinton won Jackson County, MO and Wyandotte County, KS easily.
it says Austin and San Antonio are both in water.
Forth Worth and Jacksonville are both Trumpland, but I’m not counting either as big.
Other than Phoenix, the largest urban areas Trump won were:
Erie, Pennsylvania, Jacksonville, Florida and Pinellas County, Florida (which includes St. Petersburg and Clearwater), Oklahoma City and Tulsa, Oklahoma and Green Bay and Appleton, Wisconsin, Grand Rapids, Macomb County and Saginaw, Michigan and Spokane, Washington.
If Spokane is on your list, you didn’t win big cities.
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Yeah, if you look carefully, somebody edited the quote attributed to me. Probably for effect.
Trump country looks like the result of his administration’s environmental policy, I think we know the GOP’s endgame.
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What do you mean?
I thought you were saying that you could clearly see the Kansas Cities etc as going for Trump. If that isn’t what you meant, I apologise.
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Good point, although I wasn’t really thinking about that, I’m mostly just concerned for my safety.
Sorry about that, if you’re referring to me. I did indeed add the “[for trump]”, but the square brackets make it pretty clear that I added that bit for clarity. Are you saying you weren’t saying that Trump won those cities? If not, why bother mentioning them? Anyway, I crossed out the offending square bracketed insert.
Depends on whether you want to have a difficult but rewarding conversation that might even change someone’s mind, or you want to pat yourself on the back.
Most of the other progressives I know would much rather pat themselves on the back, which is why we now have a president who was pretty much elected to piss of smug liberals. But the important thing is that you get to feel superior, I guess.
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I was referring to the “big city” part. Only been to Tucson, but I figure the three I named were big enough.
Edit: My first “post withdrawn by author”. I thought I’d never need to use that.
Oh, man. Talk about hitting the big time.
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it’s not really possible to discredit my overall point which is that there has been a 35+ year effort on the part of right-wing operatives and right-wing media, aided by the mainstream media, to destroy first bill clinton and now hillary clinton. the history of that effort has been well-documented. here’s a july interview with joe conason the author of a notable history of the attempts to destroy bill clinton, “the hunting of the president,” talking about the extension of the attack to hillary–
whether you wish to credit it or not, the fact is that this decades-long effort has paid off by making hillary incredibly defensive with the press and causing her to seem to be tainted with scandal even when she isn’t, especially for those too young to remember the insanely obsessive way the right-wing went after bill clinton.
i’m not saying that hillary was the greatest candidate the democratic party could possibly have picked but she wasn’t a shitty candidate by any stretch of the imagination and in comparison to donald trump she was clearly and unequivocally the best candidate on the ballot. indeed, more americans voted for her than any other candidate this year,
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Than any candidate except Obama, ever, actually.
But I still think she was a bad candidate. Rightly or wrongly, she was very unpopular where it mattered. Its undeniable that the left wing has been unhappy with third way candidates for some time (even if third way is a lot better than right wing)
And her campaign was poorly focused and uninspiring. I think campaigning is by some distance the weakest part of her political skills. I’m not sure anyone running on a “third term of Obama” would have won though.
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People who do the hard labor of picking our crops make about $7.25 an hour and it’s seasonal work, so no. Not really. It’s often below the federal poverty line:
[ETA] Note that these are mostly migrant farm workers, who do seasonal, often piecemeal work (day laborers). I’d guess you’d get different results on the overall income if you included people who own farms, the people who manage farms, and other forms of food production (though low income service workers also fill many of the plants that produce, say meat products, etc). We could pay the people who do the actual labor much more. But that would also require us to acknowledge that much of this work is done by undocumented immigrants, who get paid much less than documented workers, who have some benefits of protections for their rights as laborers).
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Every family farm I know – and I do know a lot – is a multi-generational affair where everyone (who isn’t still a student) has a regular job too and at least 3 generations work on the farm in their “spare time” in order to at least break even so that the mortgage(s) payments can be met.
Most farms in this country are owned by huge corporations, even if the image they sell is of a white nuclear family happily standing next to a gleaming new tractor.
(You want to be impressed by people in the country: see what they can do to keep a 50-60 year old tractor running. Now that is practical knowledge!)
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I didn´t say she was “equally shitty”. I said both were shitty candidates. So since you are a Clinton supporter, you´ll still disagree with me, but I would have certainly preferred if she had won. I wouldn´t say I would have been happy though.
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Including “wrongly unpopular” in that is a tough one, since any Democratic candidate who runs is going to be smeared by the right and become (wrongly) unpopular with certain voters. I’m glad the practice of releasing viral-ready fake news stories is getting scrutinized, since I think in the social media era those are going to be used more and more by the right with continued success. This is the party that managed to make the war hero John Kerry look like a draft dodger with their Swift Boat Vets for Truth campaign, after all. Other than that, I’m not sure what the correct strategy would be. Run Chauncey Gardiner for president?
It really is an amazing testament to the success of their tactics that even here on BoingBoing the right-wing’s propaganda is repeated as fact, right down to the phrasing of their talking points.
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I was going to make a point about false equivalence but I’m glad you made it for me.
Personally I abhor the idea of tolerance; I never asked for that shit. I’m here for my liberation and the liberation of all people and this is not a negotiation.
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Or sanity.
Or, and I have no evidence for this, but given the other picks, Romney might actually mitigate Trump’s madness. Romney may not have made a good president, but he’s no Neo Nazi.
(Damn the bar has been set pretty low lately.)
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