I think he’s just ok as an actor, will i have a personal ban on watching his stuff? I don’t think so, I don’t hold him in any regard so it’s easy for me to ignore him.
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Maybe it’s just my fondness for the Usual Suspects that makes me think he’s good at it?
Regardless, you make a great point about not needing to go out of the way to ignore him; it’s easy enough to do.
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I was glad, from the statements I read, that this doesn’t appear to have been really traumatic for him (though it certainly stayed with him). But I’m basically expecting that in the future we’ll find out about more people, some of whom were more significantly victimized. I don’t know what the local laws were at the time but there is a decent chance that had Rapp said yes instead of no that would have been in violation of them.
I think a lot of people tend to have an exaggerated idea of how bad a thing like this is for someone’s career. If you look at Michael Richard’s racist rant at the Laugh Factory, his imdb suggests it relaunched his career rather than ended it. Mel Gibson revealing himself as a huge antisemite appears to have resulted in a short hiatus. Milo Yianopolous got himself into trouble for appearing to support very much what Spacey is accused of doing and has already come back into the public eye.
If people who were pre-pubescent victims start coming forward or if enough victims who were raped come forward then maybe this will end his career. Mostly if you are already rich and famous bad things can’t seem to happen to you.
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Oh, as a person… I’ve got no problem whatsoever with the man.
It’s his product that I don’t favor, at least since Road to Perdition.
What was that other that I liked OK, um, The Money Pit.
Joe vs The Volcano is great.
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What, no Bachelor Party?
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No argument there.
Gender helps, too. Winona Ryder’s career was killed for a decade because she got caught shoplifting.
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Big is great, too.
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Hmmm… That’s perhaps an unfortunate one to bring up in this context.
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Still a great movie, but yeah, I suppose so.
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it’s a really good movie, certainly one of my favorites from Hanks
People are still mad at Jane Fonda for taking a picture in Vietnam 45 years ago. But, y’know, can’t we just get over Polanski already it was a long time ago.
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I don’t want to accuse you of moving the goalposts, but you do seem to be misinterpreting what I am saying. If person A says B punched him and B says nothing, then I have reason to believe A. But if B denies punching A, and B has no bruises or other evidence of being punched, how do I know which person is telling the truth?
Besides, I am not arguing about legal thingies. I am arguing about what I personally am to believe, whether I am going to accept A’s word or B’s, and only assuming all other is equal.
Again, you are introducing more evidence than simply what A said and what B said. And again, I feel the need to say that I am not making an argument about what the court should decide — and why should I? Right now we are only talking about two statements made to the press.
I simply take umbrage at the idea that giving people the benefit of doubt is so wrong. I am not a prosecutor nor am I a judge, so I can afford to be tolerant and forgiving.
And out of the woodwork they come:
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Good, i hope if there are more that they find the courage to say something. When it’s just one guy (judging by this thread and some apologists) that they’re willing to let it slide. I doubt that it was just one considering it was apparently an open secret that Spacey was into much younger guys
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I’m glad you didn’t accuse me of moving goalposts, since this was the example I gave, from my original post:
My point is that if someone says, “That guy jumped on top of me and came on to me at a party” and the other guy says, “I don’t remember doing that, but it seems like I owe him an apology” then there’s no reason to get into giving people the benefit of the doubt about what happened. What happened is a settled matter.
I’m trying to respond to this:
I think giving people the benefit of the doubt is a great idea. If I meet a random person I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they are not guilty of sexual assault and that they never falsely accused someone of sexual assault - those are both really terrible things to do. In a situation where one person accuses the other of sexual harassment and the other denies it, you can’t simply give the benefit of the doubt. You have to apportion that benefit of doubt between the two parties. Give the harasser the benefit of the doubt that they didn’t commit sexual harassment or give the accuser the benefit of the doubt that they aren’t lying.
If I look at it objectively, sexual harassment and assault is far more common than false claims of sexual harassment and assault. If we’re not trying to meet courtroom standards then it is illogically anti-victim to assume accusers are lying rather than to assume that the accused did what someone said they did.
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And considering there’s a second accuser i will reiterate what i said in a previous post above (unrelated to the particular discussion you’re in). I am inclined to believe the victim, to give Spacey the benefit of the doubt is admirable but ultimately undermines the victim, i believe the accuser and have no doubt that they are being truthful. With this second accuser i would love to see if anyone here giving Spacey the benefit of the doubt will adjust their stance or if they will double down and continue to ignore his creepy fixation with teens and young men.
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Between this, the possible Cory Feldman documentary, and the wave of women coming forward to speak about the abuse they’ve dealt with, I’m certain there are a whole lot of prominent Hollywood folks waiting for the shoe to drop on their past behavior. I have family from LA that knew people who worked in and around the entertainment industry, and I’ve heard plenty of stories about various actors past and present.
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I hope this has a measurable effect and doesn’t just get swept under the rug as some “boys will be boys” BS. I hope people in powerful positions face real world consequences for their actions that hurt a lot of people.
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