Even in that article:
Id est, the particular type of rigging that President Elect Trump was warning about is “ridiculous”.
edited to add: And i see now that @anon50609448 covered my point just fine without my help. Oh well.
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Not respecting the results of the election ≠ making sure we know what the results are.
(and Clinton still hasn’t, to my knowledge, made any call for this audit to be carried out anyway)
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These are widespread problems?
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Well, he did say earlier that he expected the Brennan Center is going to change its postion on its denial that these are widespread problems. He never supported that claim, but perhaps you can draw him out on the topic.
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It is smart (in a way) to insinuate something that simply can’t be known or meaningfully debated as evidence for your position.
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Yeah, Stein’s totally been working to get Clinton into the White House all along. Couldn’t you tell?
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It’s just…
I don’t…
What…? …?
I guess, in response to the idea that Jill Stein is acting as a Democratic agent, all I can say it, “I don’t think that is what is happening.”
I feel like I might be a sheeperson (that’s the singular, right?)
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He said he’d refuse to accept ANY results that showed her as winning, because they must be seen as rigged, because there’s no way she could win without cheating.
Max, you are stretching to a very dishonest degree.
If there is actual cheating going on here, you are actively handwaving away because of your partisan beliefs.
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There is no current evidence that I know of that HRC is behind the drive led by Stein. I also do not know how the effort could benefit Stein, or her party, in any way. The democrats are the only ones that I know of who could reasonably expect to benefit from the process.
Beyond a certain point there’s no point to engaging with disingenuous garbage.
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Society would benefit from any investigation into election based impropriety and threats to democracy, no matter who “wins”.
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Can you think of any way in which Stein benefited from running for president? She can’t win now, but she couldn’t win then. Maybe you don’t fully understand her motivations.
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When did he say that? I am not claiming he did not, but I don’t remember anything quite so explicit.
Refusing and questioning are not the same thing.
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He literally says everything negative that happens to him in life is “rigged”. Polls, court cases, Emmys, probably his college grades transcripts.
He said the election was rigged before it even happened, Max.
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I remember the “crooked Hillary” business, all the stuff about how the system was rigged, and how he would not pledge to accept the results when asked during the debate. I do not remember him making the above statement.
Is there a specific reason why you cannot reconcile these two sentences?
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Granny Farming tends to be a mostly (but not exclusively) right wing form of voter fraud.
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The rationale given in Ohio is difficult to understand. They’ve fought enabling it tooth and nail for more than a decade claiming enabling an audit “would cause havoc.”
Greg Palast hyperventilates a lot over it, but if you take the overblown editorializing with a grain of salt, he explains the situation (and also goes over the many ways the GOP has worked diligently to undermine democracy and steal elections over the years).
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Not pledging in advance to accept the outcome is not the same as refusing to “accept any results that showed her as winning, because they must be seen as rigged, because there’s no way she could win without cheating”.
I am not even arguing that his position is a valid one. the most positive thing I have said about Trump is that I am hoping for the best. I explicitly pointed out that I see the republican position on election fraud, and the change in position after the election, as hypocritical.
