AOC feints towards fully automated luxury communism

Yes, Racism is one of the original killer bots unleashed on us. It has not been controlled by anyone, really, for many years - it runs autonomously, wreaking havoc on the descendents of it’s creators as well as the descendents of it’s original victims.

Racism is alive and well in large part because most of it’s victims believe some of it’s precepts too - race is made up, but as long as anyone believes races are real, racism will damage us all.

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The Window needs policy behind it, or The Window will be merely a sliding door.

One needs party support for policy change.

Exactly. The Repuglicans attack her on behalf of their late-stage capitalist masters because they and their emperor HAVE no clothes, and she has not only noticed it, she is pointing it out for all to see.

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If anyone is seen as a threat to what you call “The Right”, I’m pretty sure they’d come up with opposing editorials, regardless of a person’s behavior. “She’s bossy!” vs. “She’s not bossy enough!”

Is the idea is to find someone who wouldn’t generate opposition criticism?

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But it sure has been enabled, facilitated and weaponized to maintain the status quo for those in power.

That TPTB can’t keep a leash on the Frankenstein monster they created is incidental.

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The usual comments on Breitbart, but they seem half-hearted, as if they’re thinking about it.

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Probably trying to figure out how to make sure only the “right” kind of people reap those undeniable benefits.

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OK, I don’t have the time to read the whole thread, so excuse me if this was already posted, but automatic cleaning toilets exist in France:

Now, bear with me a moment. France is probably one of the countries with the most automation, because of the comparatively high taxes on salaries. The consequence is exactly the opposite of what is discussed in the article: because of the high unemployment rate, having a job became socially desirable, as in “Veblen goods”. The socialist party program included universal basic income for a week during the last presidential elections and they quickly backed up when they realised the voters hated the idea. Socialist workers wanted a job, even with lower pay than living on the dole, because in a society where jobs are scarce, having a job is desirable in itself.

So, I am afraid AOC is mistaken and we may rather end up with more and more bullshit jobs as in:

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I think you’ll find that all of the powerful people who continue to feed racism believe that races are real - they believe that racism is based on reality, instead of fake, made-up distinctions that fall apart when they’re studied objectively.

So yes, it’s an automaton that continues on its own, being fed by it’s victims. The nature of it’s damage is different for different kinds of people in it’s grip, but everyone involved is damaged in some way.

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unfortunately, the internet is also responsible for late stage capitalism.

it’s raw computation power and internetworking that creates derivative markets, drives short term trading ( which means growth must be now, and every year ), which allows companies to be world spanning monopolies, etc.

it’s not just the uniqueness of the post war period. it was a the lack of the software that now makes it all possible.

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The automated shoe factory still would be using materials and energy that might be needed elsewhere, so it wouldn’t be totally free of such constraints. And without a market economy, how do you decide how many shoes to make? In which sizes? And in which styles? This is a real problem that non-capitalist societies like the Soviet Union faced. And one it didn’t handle very well.

It’s a given of all economic theories that people are motivated by getting less money for more work. Corporations too.

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All of them?

Aside from absolutes not being a thing, here’s the gist that I was getting to:

I don’t care if they actually believe the hateful prejudice they willfully perpetuate, or if it’s just sheer opportunistic use of an incredibly powerful tool; the damage being wrought is the same, regardless.

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That’s a separate but related cultural issue that needs to be overcome: the dusty old idea that engaging in wage or subsistence labour inherently signifies virtue (see the Protestant Work Ethic or the traditional socialist glorification of the proletariat/peasants). That meme is propagated for the most part by people who are already living in (per Gibson) the unequally distributed future of a life of leisure and of work by choice and vocation rather than for necessity.

My sense is that this meme has lost a lot of currency with young people since the 2007 crash, especially the ones to whom Ocasio-Cortez (herself a young person) is appealing. It’s my hope that its currency continues to fade with them, especially when they’re offered a proper UBI and automation that benefits everyone.

Bear in mind that, up until about 5 years ago, serious discussions of UBIs were verboten in mainstream discourse in the West, and the extent and level of automation has not reached a crisis point. It’s a new discussion, and a lot of people (especially older ones) aren’t ready to face the new realities.

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Ok, then instead of “all” think “all” with 98.87% confidence. Using race as a means of control is tricky and erratic, and can backfire or have other unintended consequences. So powerful people wanting to keep control use modern marketing, which is more precise and useful. Yes, the marketing may manipulate racist memes along with other things - but narrowly and selectively, taking advantage of the pervasive and in many ways unnoticed existing framework of racism, rather than actually creating anything new.

So racism continues as an automaton, not really controllable by it’s victims, who frequently don’t understand the ways in which they ARE it’s victims. Every time they use racist memes, they dig themselves in deeper, too.

Racism damages all of us, although in different ways. And I can say that with 99.999% confidence.

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and you get that support by explaining policies and the ideas behind those policies in clear, easy to understand ways.

one person like aoc is not enough. but at least one person like her is necessary.

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Yeah… “automated” or not, ‘victims aren’t we all’ or not, I’m still keeping track of the people who actively encourage, facilitate, aid, and abet bigotry and inequality.

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It wasn’t your mouth I was putting words in. I was responding to this point you made. “She has alienated many people in her party, and the Democrats are actively trying to stymie Congresswoman AOC.” I think she has alienated those Democrats because she’s not quietly waiting her turn, not staying in line. They want to stymie her because she says things that make them uncomfortable and disrupt their comfortable tenures in Congress. That they are alienated is a good thing, in my estimation. They should be uncomfortable, I thank AOC for that.

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Having just finished ‘AI Superpowers’ by Kai-Fu Lee, I still am wondering where all this money will come from to allow retirement-for-all.

If only the bots are working, where is the value that can be charged for?

Or am I stuck in a ‘meritocratic’ mode of thinking?

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