I caught his drift, Manson was the closest non-fiction character I could quickly come up with.
There are three types of torture -
- The style advocated by Cheney, Bush, and Berkeley Law Professor John Yoo, where you can get any answer you want out of a âsuspectâ
- Pain as a punishment.
- Pain as a spectacle.
If I were to be put to death unjustly, Iâd gladly accept the third one as a way to bring attention to the sincerity of my convictions.
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Yup, marketed under the brand name Sodium Pentothal. Not so much âunable to lieâ as âweaken their resolve to withhold the truth, and make them more compliant to pressureâ.
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Ah, sorry!
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Death by imprisonment.
I support that, yes.
No one actually believes in âstateâs rightsâ. They have goals, and they think that âstateâs rightsâ will help or hinder in achieving their goals. Like before the Civil War, southern states were all about âstateâs rightsâ when it came to state laws protecting slavery, but were very much in favor of federal laws restricting the rights of northern states to pass laws that freed slaves or prevented runaway slaves from being recaptured.
âStateâs Rightsâ are a smokescreen. If someone tells you theyâre for âStateâs Rightsâ, you know theyâre either an idiot or they think you are.
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Or both!
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The argument could be made for the public seeing some these peopleâs victims and families.
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Why? What did he do wrong? He is a county sheriff. The state of Arizona tried to import the drugsânot him or his county.
The photo that is part of the story mentions him by name, and heâs been such a dangerous jerk on every aspect of âlaw enforcementâ that I just assumed he was part of it.
Reading the linked article, I see no names or positions given, just âArizonaâ, so I donât know if heâs actually involved or not.
So, yeah youâre right: I assumed, and could very well be wrong.
Heâs still a dangerous asshole, though!
Further down the thread I stated my ideal world situation.
Ideally, criminals we donât want interacting with human society get inserted into their own personal âmatrixâ in such a way that they have no ability to tell the difference. Once inside they can do whatever they feel, without consequences (also done in such a way that theyâll never be able to tell if theyâre in real life or a personal simulation. Also the agents within such a simulation wouldnât care whether theyâre participants. Itâs an ideal world. I can tweak it to whoeverâs content.)
I thinkk we already have that.
I assume that statistic doesnât refer exclusively to point-blank, base of the brain stem shots.
Except other inmates, guards, and prison staff- And there are a lot of people who get killed in prison. Thatâs my big issue- That even in prison, certain people are still a danger to others, and some kid in there for petty theft doesnât deserve to be raped and murdered by another inmate. The only alternative is 24/7 isolation, which I actually think is more cruel and inhumane than execution.
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I think youâve answered your own question.
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That is indeed the wording in the constitution, cruel and unusual rather than cruel or unusual.
Itâs because of things like this that I generally support the EU project.
Mexican drug lordâs brazen tunnel escape
Mexico's most prized prisoner, drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, 56, escaped from a maximum security prison for a second time through an elaborate one-mile ventilated, well-lit underground tunnel complete with a motorcycle on rails July 11, 2015.
A widespread manhunt that includes highway checkpoints, stepped up border security and closure of an international airport has so far failed to turn up any trace of Guzman, the notorious leader of the Sinoloa drug cartel
I agree with you, but feel compelled to add that ultimately the problem is based in our retributive, vengeful prison system which doesnât even pretend to care about rehabilitation.
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To a very, very large extent I agree with you. The way I see it, we have two issues with the justice system- Firstly, how we define what is and isnât a âcrimeâ (which is a whole discussion in and of itself).
More relevantly, the way I see it, people commit crimes for one of three reasons- Passion, profit, or pathology.
Anyone can commit a crime of passion. A regular upstanding moral person can be pushed to the breaking point by a loverâs betrayal or financial hardship, but a strong social safety net and healthy sex education is likely to reduce the likelyhood of this sort of thing, and psychotherapy is almost guaranteed to prevent someone from reoffending. These people for the most part need treatment, not prison.
Crimes of profit, where someone causes harm in order to get something, again can often be prevented with a strong safety net- But when they occur, should absolutely be punished. When that is said and done, however, most people can be rehabilitated, and we should really work towards that.
Itâs the third category. People who rape and kill because they enjoy it and canât help themselves. Serial killers, child molesters, serial rapists- These are people who canât be fixed, and who arenât safe for any other humans to be around. Those are the cases where weâre down to 24/7 solitary, execution, or some kind of Clockwork Orange level âtreatmentâ too horrific for me to even think about. Thereâs no good option there, but at least, these cases are incredibly rare⌠Which may be part of the problem- Our justice system isnât designed for exceptions.
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I think youâve outlined the situation very well. We would have a workable number of inmates, and thus could start figuring out HOW to properly handle them, if our laws and support network didnât conspire against a significant portion of the population.
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