Excuse me, I’ll just continue dying in the barren wasteland of pizza that is Rancho Bernardo.
(But I’m keeping the good pho.)
There’s always the weekend. Also, if you’re into our awesome local beer, Sicilian Thing is a good jumping off spot to walk to lots of fun places.
When it comes to beer, I typically crawl through the breweries in Mira Mesa. North/South Park is also not particularly friendly to 4yo tastes and interest levels. He’ll learn in time, but for now it’s the tyranny of Panda Express.
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At this point it seems to me like you don’t know the definition of the word ‘definition’.
The actual definition of racism is prejudice against a person based on their membership of a racial category. That’s it. There’s a related definition of racialism, which is the belief that distinct biological categories called races exist, some dictionaries record these two as synonymous, but I think they’re pretty obviously distinct concepts. I don’t believe in racialism.
What you’re describing is the sociological theory of institutional racism, which is a separate thing to plain ol’ racism, it’s a distinct form of racism. There may be some truth to be found in said sociological theory, but it’s worth remembering that sociology isn’t a science, and that sociological theories aren’t facts (i.e. they’re not theories in the same way that the theory of gravity is a theory), and whatever truth may be found in there it doesn’t override the simple definition of racism, prejudice against a person based on their belonging to a racial grouping is racism.
There has obviously been a very real attempt to muddy the waters around these definitions over recent years, but thankfully privileged academics don’t get to define how we use language.
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Who writes the dictionaries? The oppressor or the oppressed?
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Uh, neither, that would be the lexicographers.
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Holy shit, who knew? A gentle reminder, the topic specifically involves institutional racism or just racism (for those who understand that words are not just a description in an entry somewhere but living, evolving cultural products) so yes, that is the definition of racism I am using. You can whinge about good ol’ fashioned all you want, we are not discussing a case of personal bigotry. [quote=“caze, post:175, topic:101812”]
but it’s worth remembering that sociology isn’t a science, and that sociological theories aren’t facts
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What you seem to forget is that facts don’t mean shit without theory.
I get that you know things. The facts you possess are not the problem- they are just objects.
I think you and @Max_Blancke would make for an outstanding trivia team.
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I don’t care what definition of racism you are using, you were responding to a post I made, where I called some people out for being racists, the only important thing is what definition I was using in that post.
Actually, facts stand by themselves, they exist whether or not people are aware of them. Theories can help us discover them, but their existence isn’t dependent on them.
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The funniest thing about this back and forth is that the only way you can invalidate my argument is whingeing on a semantic technicality.
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Nope. I called some people racists, you said they can’t be racist because they’re not white. Your definition of racist and my definition of racist weren’t the same, so at the end of the day what you said wasn’t actually an argument against anything I was saying (so there’s nothing for me to invalidate here, we’re both in agreement that these people aren’t subjecting these white business owners to institutional racism), this isn’t merely a semantic technicality, it’s a total failure in the logic of your argument
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I like the argument about power and privilege being required for racism. I don’t think it comes anywhere near to being a valid argument, but it is an interesting tactic. Just change the definitions of words as an easy way to solve difficult problems. We could eliminate poverty just by redefining the word to exclude most of the poor. Much easier than actually solving messy and complicated problems.
But even though this discussion has moved in interesting directions, at it’s core, it is about cultural and technological exchange as a very complicated subject. [quote=“wait_really, post:170, topic:101812”]
to keep the people of color you’re so obviously unconcerned about from losing their livelihoods.
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Portland is over 1,800 km from Puerto Neuvo. The restaurants are not in competition with each other. There is no person who was planning on eating dinner in Puerto Nuevo, then decided to eat instead at Kooks food cart. So that is not really the subject of the debate here. It is more complicated than that. Just like actual history is much more complicated and nuanced a subject than blaming one group of people for the all world’s “mass armed conflict, slavery, and extraction”.
That is not an accurate view of history.
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You should’ve read the whole thing. I was commenting on the google doc that’s caught poor @caze in such a tizzy. The white owned restaurants cited in the google doc are in direct competition with the POC owned restaurants of Portland.
And I repeat, the topic of this thread is about cultural appropriation. Racism is being raised as a mechanic within certain forms of cultural appropriation, and various hows and whys have been put forth as to how that all shakes out.
Pointing to a fucking dictionary and crying “look that’s not what it says” does not dispute the thesis of institutional/structural racism. You don’t like it being called racism? Fine, come up with another, more precise word to explain how whites have every advantage in the western world across all facets of society.
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I never blamed one people for all the world’s mass armed conflict, slavery, and extraction. But you’re only kidding yourself if you think the white west is just an innocent player in the game everyone plays on a level field. Who colonized every continent? Was it the Chinese? Was it the Nubians? Or perhaps the Maya?
What did we do with all that wealth, the wealth of all those lands? We we’re simply bringin’ civilization to the savages? Huh?
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Take your kid to Waypoint - they have an entire area with toys and a giant TV for kids. In South Park, there is Station Tavern, also very kid friendly, it’s literally crawling with them on the outdoor patio. Tiger Tiger on the Blvd has a lot of games and communal tables. Totally fine for kids.
Which is one reason I don’t go there often… 
And they have a delicious poutine! Have no idea though if those who make it are Québécois or (gasp!) even Canadian for that matter 
Friends and I end up at Blind Lady Ale House quasi-regularly, but there are kids in there frequently. Nothing like drunkenly working up to a good creatively vulgar expletive and suddenly realizing you’re sitting next to a kid :embarrassed:
I may or may not know what you’re talking about…
Also, speaking of Rancho Bernardo, I’m sure you’ve been to Urge - I dig it. We used the back room for a party with friends. And I’ve met friends there several times for drinks when I used to work up there.
I don’t know what to say.
I feel like I’m conversing with a playbook in an isolated part of the world.
I am neither prejudiced, nor racist. I actually feel I need say nothing, I’m that comfortable in my skin and the complexity of my international and multicultural heritage and environmental history.
But please, may the proof be in the eating.
I’m sometimes these days in Paris, SF, NYC, SIngapore, others. Please - point me to a place where I’ll eat non-simple national food that is not prepared by someone from that nation, and I’ll make the time to try it out.
I live in London, UK. That would count too.
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Wow there are so many layers of white nonsense here that it’s almost impressive.
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You can’t just…take things out of context? These women are from a country with a president who demonizes Mexicans and gained tons of popular support specifically for that reason so yeah white women stealing recipes from Mexican women is a little different than Mexican chefs cribbing amongst themselves. I know you all want everything to be colorblind kumbaya-land but it does not work that way.
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Cool scare quotes around “appropriation” and capitalization of Social Justice. You all know these are OLD academic concepts right? It isn;t just some newfangled Tumblr idea and it’s been discussed by people who make a career out of understanding culture and human interaction. If you’re having trouble grappling with the difference between cultural appropriation and cultural exchange, which 90% of you in the comments seem to be, you could try…reading some writing on the subject idk just a thought
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Trotting out your One Friend of Color Who Backs You Up So You Don’t Ever Have to Question Any Of Your Own Biases ™ is just like, White Nonsense 101. Really, come on. Step your game up.
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