Be vigilant on the tube


#1

So we’re in a third Gulf war. Not absolutely sure I voted for this. Was happy humanistically that people in trouble were being rescued / helped. But a war?

I was a train ahead of the 7/7 bombings. Exited the train a few minutes before. Kind of makes you think.


#2

WTF? Nigel descends into conspiracy theorist insanity.

Mr Farage said Prime Minister David Cameron “will do anything he can to try to deflect attention away from UKIP”.


#3

You didn’t, but your MP probably did. Unlike in 2003, it doesn’t look like any of the major parties made a significant objection.


#4

So. Be vigilant on the tube, I suppose.

Jeez - save us.


#5

There is some irony that during the blitz the tube was the refuge.


#6

Well, sure. It just sounded like you were suggesting that it wasn’t particularly democratic when there was a clear consensus across the major parties despite war weariness. There never has been a war referendum, but I doubt the results would have been significantly different in this case. It also has a number of elements that make active intervention (not just rescuing people) a more pressing priority, including the fact that the West carries a lot of the blame in the first place and does have a responsibility to support democracy in Iraq.


#7

Am I to understand that you are surprised by this turn of events?


#8

Not particularly, although it is an image Nigel Farage has been trying to distance himself from.


#9

Ah begn ur pardon, you were surprised with the alacrity with which even Good Ol’ Nige would shoot himself in the foot.
I’m surprised the man still has a leg to stand on.


#10

He gave up a chance at xenophobia to engage in narcissism?


#11

It is interesting to note that The West is constantly fighting wars.


#12

War is Peace.


#13

Kind of buddhist. The West is East.


#14

Given the share of Made-in-China/Taiwan/HongKong/Thailand/… goods, this statement is oddly true.


#15

Ignorance is Strength


#16

Thud is Boing


#17

I’d rather not think of it as a war, although some military intervention is probably unavoidable if there is going to be progress in the area. I do think that there needs to be involvement from the West beyond picking up survivors, but it is bound to fail if it is mainly a military effort. This article puts it better than I could:


#18

The thing is, it’s time to invest in military stock. Once the ball gets rolling on these open-ended campaigns, it just keeps rolling, getting bigger and bigger.


#19

OK, do you have a constructive response? (Something like this maybe?) I get that war is bad, but grouping all military action into one category seems quite cynical. There is a big difference between the situation now and 11 years ago. I fully agree that the West shares a lot of blame in the actions leading up to this. I also agree that military action alone will make things worse. However, I think accepting refugees without containing this threat is not really addressing the issue.


#20

I’m talking military-industrial complex. Of course I’m cynical. Remember Blackwater?

But once this genie is unleashed, it seems to run and run.