Exactly, piss off with that nonsense. Punks jump up to get beat down.
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Definitely.
And Nixon actually followed his part of the bargain. It’s 100% certain that the Bloated Orange would immediately turn around after being pardoned and start campaigning for president, claiming that the pardon proves he was never convicted of anything, and that it was all fake news and deep state conspiracies.
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jason needs a new job.
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“Peace for our time.” 
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It’s owned by Jeff Bezos, so…
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I totally agree with that part especially.
The only person sentenced to death for their actions on the Confederate side (except for a couple of spies, I think) was the head of the Andersonville POW ‘camp’. Everyone else got to go home to their families…nay, were openly encouraged to go back to their normal lives, their property, their communities, and go on living as they had, just without slaves. Everyone else: Lee, Davis, etc.
When there are no consequences for bad behavior, guess what happens? It’s just as true with adults and communities as it is with individual children.
Sherman’s scorched-earth policy was much more in line with how the winners of a war treated the losers of that war back in those days. Not saying we shouldn’t improve on that, but NO consequences is why the Confederate flag featured so prominently on January 6th.
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In your example, that dude was indeed found guilty first. The court held that accepting a pardon doesn’t amount to a “confession” of guilt, but there was still a FINDING of guilt.
Not to mention that Trump can’t take the fifth if he’s been pardoned and is subpoenaed to testify in a related case in which he’s not the defendant. That alone makes it worth considering, if not a slam dunk.
Not to mention that Biden isn’t obliged to issue a Ford-style full blanket pardon for any and all crimes; he could offer Trump a pardon for very SPECIFIC crimes on the condition that he plead guilty (with allocution).
But all this is besides the point; no matter what you or I would want, TRUMP IS NEVER GOING TO JAIL. As a practical matter, there is no prison that could house a former president AND his secret service detail. There is no way 60 Senators vote to take away Trump’s secret service detail. The best we can hope for is home confinement, which when you’re talking Mar-a-Lago or Trump Tower, isn’t much of a punishment.
All of those hypotheses about pardons are just that - hypotheses. They haven’t been tested.
As for 45 going to prison, why the fuck not? Federal prisons are fully capable of housing prisoners who do not have contact with other prisoners. Secret Service detail could be kept minimal if he’s in a secure area. If that means de facto solitary confinement, boo fucking hoo. He signed up for this shit when he ran for president and then crimed up some crimes.
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so Trump is going “in the hole?” Neat.
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It’s truly bizarre how center (or even center-right, like the NYT) leaning publications feel the urge to have “balanced” editorials by airing both reasonable opinions and unreasonable, insane, deranged, fascistic Republiqan opinions.
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A deal they would, of course, not honour and impeach, do hearings, and investigations for the entirety of their first term if they get in again.
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A matter of principle? Consider a doctor who performed an abortion because they felt it was the right thing to do under their Hippocratic Oath, was arrested, and later was offered a pardon. If they truly believed they didn’t do anything wrong, accepting the pardon (which would come with an admission they did do wrong) may choose to reject the pardon.
To draw attention? If only one member of a group (with family connections, perhaps) was offered a pardon, them rejecting it would be more noteworthy (and draw attention to the rest of the group remaining imprisoned) than accepting it.
A political statement? Athletes and teams have rejected invitations to the White House in the past, Bill Belichick declined the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Trump, and other celebrities have rejected honors from politicians with whose policies they disagreed. A pardon is not the same as a medal or other honor, but if a recipient disliked the person pardoning them enough they might refuse to give the pardoner a photo op at the pardoning ceremony.
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Yeah, okay. Thanks. No idea why I didn’t unpack your sentence properly.
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