Source? I saw reports of a single police vehicle blocks from the celebration.
ABC news. & my bad it was 4 felony and 21 misdemeanor arrests, so they werenât letting all misdemeanors slide.
Note to computer, I am spelling misdemeanor correctly so go fuck yourself.
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Again, if the point here is to say âwhite people are treated differently,â absolutely. But I think the point is there are FAR better examples than this one. This oneâs flimsy, and Iâm one who hates the drunken bro antics that are allowed down there on a daily basis.
And if weâre talking symmetry, at least the police had helicopters and officers on horseback. If they were truly âboys will be boys,â Iâd have thought theyâd have just had some barricades up and let it happen.
I am curious what kind of night the officer choking guy had in his cellâŚthe CPD doesnât condone that no matter what color your skin. If they avoided giving him the phone book treatment, itâs probably more because theyâre still under fire for the John Burge situation.
And that, right there, is the point. The word âriotâ is being applied liberally to protest crowds consisting primarily of POC, but not to an equally behaved crowd of white people âcelebrating.â
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It isnât flimsy at all.
There was no escalation to what would satisfy a standard you havenât named, but that too is a result of a double-standard. In particular, that double standard is by police, which should be emphasized given the focal points of the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore.
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In case no one got it from @IronEdithKidd 's last post,
If you think this isnât a valid comparative then youâve begun accepting something you probably shouldnât, whether you know it or not.
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Showing up for something, and showing up against something, are entirely different.
Everyone enjoy your semantics.
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The insinuation here was that the damage was symmetrical but the response wasnât, and thatâs a false analogy. And the counter argument appears to be that the damage was less because the police didnât crack skulls, which is a speculation at best.
Looking at the Disco Demolition Night, we can see how a show of force can completely disarm a situation similar to the Hawks celebration. People in Chicago know what those light blue helmets mean.
However, we can see that things can escalate in Chicago when no police are involved. Happens all the time. And in many of those cases, the cops never even respond.
I have to say again that I hate being on this side of the argument. I almost wish there were more car fires, it would make this a compelling argument.
At best, the argument is that if the crowdâs skin color were different, the police reaction would have been different, and thatâs an unavoidable conclusion given what weâve seen in the past year. But nothing here adds anything to what weâve seen with countless police overreaction videos, which make a far more convincing case than any drunken bro crowd surfers could ever make.
If? What else would the point be? I mean, yes, if you only read the early replies to this article, you wouldnât catch that, but the article makes it pretty clearâŚ
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Itâs not speculation in the least.
The lessened police response was a policy initiative resultant of the 2013 sportsgame riot. Which did escalate and was called a riot.
Though no one asked fans to condemn themselves, their community, to denounce violence or make any other statement that would be used to justify actions & harden opinions against their community.
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No, FFS, thatâs not the insinuation here.
The point of the OP is that if crowds consisting mostly of blacks had done the same things as last nightâs crowds consisting mostly of whites, the response, on the part of the media, would surely have been very different, including a much faster application of the word âriot.â
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Right, then why donât we just have daily stories:
âWhite guy not racially profiled for driving crappy carâ stories every day? Itâs obvious that itâs unfair, thatâs why. Itâs so banal itâs not even a story.
Thatâs the point here, not that thereâs bias, because Iâm pretty sure weâre all on the same side understanding how messed up the disproportionate use of force is in our society. And lousy arguments undermine making that case, because it gives the Fox News folks ammo for arguing that anyone who cares is biased against them.
If we want to affect change, thatâs the last thing we need.
It EXACTLY is. How can Ferguson/Baltimore be mentioned in the same sentence and that not be the equivalence? Is the argument really that if the police hadnât shown up/reacted in either of those that there wouldnât have been a single store burned?
I wanted to burn stores and I wasnât even there. Every time I see an unarmed citizen being tear gassed/beaten, the anger is palpable. I canât imagine the rage for the folks that were there, it happens every day in those communities.
No thatâs not the argument. Where on earth did you get that?
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From you.
âIn Ferguson and Baltimore most people behaved themselves.â
Thatâs where. To even compare a celebratory gathering, however drunken and stupid, to political social marches makes an equivalence between the two. And it therefore asks âWhy did X happen at one and not the other?â
To parse that, we have to ask what âXâ was, and look at the result of both. The police clearly escalated situations in both Baltimore and Ferguson. But to say that the same thing would have happened after the championship is patently absurd, because it ignores the entire context of the situation. Would there have been more police overreaction if there had been some mythical minority-only city sport that the entire white population ignores, and would they have been quicker to overreact to the celebrations? Yeah, probably. I donât think anyone disagrees. But the analogy is clearly being made, and to pretend itâs not is dishonest.
The equivalence is âcrowds of unruly black peopleâ and âcrowds of unruly white people,â and the double standard being pointed out is the differing response on the part of police and corporate media. Your insistence that it matters that the two crowds had different reasons for getting together as a crowd is an insistence about a topic that the OP isnât about. Youâre arguing with yourself, not with the OP.
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Thatâs the point. Itâs a gross generalization. âWhite people != black peopleâ, and when asked to clarify, Baltimore and Ferguson are brought up.
Again, this is a poor example to make a point with, and I think it ultimately undermines what is a very valid argument about double standards. But hey, itâs the internet, so clearly no exchange of ideas or communication can happen today, even with people on the same side of the argument.
Nonsense. Let me fill that in for you, causing it to appear precisely the way you initially read it, to be sure that it remains in context for you.
So you see now, as you did before, that what is being compared in this instance is the contrasting characterizations. The person to whom I was responding would likely accept that Ferguson and Baltimore were riots. Wouldnât you?
You see now?
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All the fucking violence against protesters weâve witnessed in Ferguson et.al, but in this sports-riot, not even one cop couldâve found this guy and, you know, just roughed him up a bit, I mean, for me? For all of us?
Or is this some kind of satire Iâm not hip to yetâŚ
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