Boris Johnson is getting away with it, somehow

He also broke numerous laws during his presidency and has thus far not been brought up on charges, because the GOP is covering for him. Until he is brought up on charges for breaking laws that we all saw with our own eyes, he is getting away with it. Same with Boris.

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Pie describing Eton as ‘Hogwarts for wankers’ had me ROTFLing :rofl:

Also if you haven’t encountered him before, Russ Jones most recent “The Week In Tory” is a belter…

“Spoof minister and literal mad woman in the attic Nadine Dorries agreed to an interview without understanding what “interview” means”

“the book-free, tottering technophobic abomination who seems incapable of sane media appearances is also our Minister for Culture, Digital and Media, and the reason the gene-pool needs a lifeguard”

“Also joining the circus, Steve Barclay, a man so devoid of personality his DNA profile says “404 error””

ETA: apologies, just realising that these characters will only be familiar to us right-pondians. The Culture Minister’s wonderful (car crash) interview is a cringefest worth watching:

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Well since the most famous PM of the 20th century was famously always half-lit, no big shocker.

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Remember in the 1990s when they started talking about “Globalisation” and how good it would be for everyone?..people said “Hell, no!” and there were marches in the street against this new fad that business and governments wanted to bring in.
Well, they didn’t give up on the idea…they just gave us these funny-face clown-shoes leaders like Donald and Boris (and Scotty, here in Australia) and hoped we wouldn’t notice the general slide into fascism.

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Keep in mind, despite being arguably the worst president in modern memory, Trump got more votes in 2020 than in 2016.

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Fair enough. All the evidence suggests that she escaped from a petri dish.

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highest turn out in years, though, People were excited about Trump being a revolutionary President who would FINALLY put the liberals in their place, and they were also excited about Biden possibly putting an end to that sort of errant nonsense.

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So-called conservative parties around the world have learned the power of appealing to aspirational arseholes who, instead of being outraged by the never-ending scandals, would do exactly the same crappy things with the same arrogant smirk if they had money and power.

I remember those protests. I also remember how the cops were very determined and ruthless shutting them down in a way that they just aren’t when faced with fascist protestors trying to shut down national capitals and border crossings. So strange…

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The problem with that is that British citizens don’t get to vote directly for PM - the only people who can ‘vote’ Boris out right now are the ministers of his own party. And they don’t have any credible replacements for him so will let him cling to power as long as he can. Britain relies even more than the US does on the laughable ‘good person’ theory of government, which relies on a certain level of shame and honor keeping people from doing terrible things - and Johnson has no shame or honor, neutering all those checks. Nor do the most of the other Tory MPs ,who still see him as their best chance for driving stuff through and connecting with the Brexit troglodytes.

So to get rid of him he has to be caught in something deeply criminal and actually prosecuted for it (this gets iffy, like trying to prosecute Trump while in office). Or if Labour actually wins enough seats in the next general election - but that won’t be till May 2024 barring various rare things like the Tories agreeing to an early election because they think it will help them. Keir Starmer (head of Labour) has been playing himself (and by association Labour) up as a boring, stable, trustworthy guy (which he is) in hopes that people will be tired of Boris’s Drama by then. But shit happens, who knows.

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Boris Johnson is a despicable human who should not be allowed any authority over anyone, or really any sharp objects or matches, but the Brexit movement and Boris’s success may well have had help from Putin and his assets. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/23/when-nigel-farage-met-julian-assange

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Americans watching the British wonder politicians are getting away with shenanigans.

first time GIF
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I have to admit that I was not aware that “Digital” was British English for the cyber.

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I think there is definitely Russian propaganda campaigns that contributed to it,

:woman_shrugging:

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Fair point. In my mind, I often feel Trump and Bojo wouldn’t be in power without significant Russian assistance. Then again, Reagan, Bush and Bush, and a clusterfuck of Congressional twits made it into power over the years with (likely) no Soviet/Russian help, so it may be me being a Pollyanna in thinking people wouldn’t possibly elect someone that ill-fitted for leadership, despite decades of evidence to the contrary.

edited to hopefully make a bit more sense, and I shouldn’t post while cooking.

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We live in a racist, sexist, society obsessed with “getting ahead” that are full of divisions that are easily exploitable by TPTB (both here and in the UK)… I have little doubt that the Russians contributed to divisions cracking open as they did, but there were people in both our societies who have nothing constructive to contribute, and instead turn to the easiest and most destructive means to stay in power. They happen to have the same goals as Putin, which is ensuring a hierarchical society that is not actual truly democratic.

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The difference this time is that Labour can’t rely on Scotland, and their institutional transphobia and antiziganism may be costing them votes (and if it is gaining them votes, is that deal with the Devil really worth it?). Starmer isn’t the moderate Labour voice that the press want to portray him as being.

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We live in a racist, sexist, society obsessed with “getting ahead” that are full of divisions that are easily exploitable by TPTB (both here and in the UK)

I agree completely with this, but I believe at some point the Russian and American fascist elements went from often working towards the same goals locally and occasionally internationally, but being antagonistic or at least competitive with each other, to being in rather blatant coordination.

That probably does explain quite a lot of it. (And is why, for example, Democrats resign over things and Republicans don’t.) Though it seems to me that there are scandals where they do things that even their supporters aren’t happy about, and here I think another mechanism comes into play. In places like the US/UK where in recent, institutional memory, any time someone got caught out behaving badly, they would resign to avoid the consequences, and everyone got used to the situation resolving itself. If the response is to say “what are you going to do about it?” the social/legal/political/journalistic systems that might have once been in place to remove them have sort of atrophied away, so being shameless means they can just front it out and most of the time nothing ever happens.

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Man. All the people who vote tory for the highest standards in integrity and good governance must be hearbroken over this.

Both of them; maybe all three of them.

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Born rich Republicans in the US are comfortable with that idea, as long as they are going to be the ones holding more power than everyone else. They will talk about it openly; “hey guys, maybe only allowing landowners to vote, or at least people with education, is a pretty good idea. There’s a lot of voters who have no idea what they are voting for.”

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