will be momentarily though, that’s the actual 7th Fleet, and I imagine they’re having a busy week.
Telling China to stop while the USA and Russia continue to do it isn’t likely to be persuasive, however.
Fuck persuasion, at this point. The world generally refuses to put these billionaires in check and it isn’t an issue of national pride for anyone. “China” isn’t a person, except as it exemplifies a type of billionaire that rules China as a social elite, as in every pre-revolt empire throughout history.
Self-identification with these fake people is bad, but so is the anti-nation rhetoric that make the same confusion about these people. Nations are best defined as a set of loosely compatible rules for the people of regions to rule their lives. The aristocracy exists outside rules until we put them in check.
Let’s put them in check and stop letting ourselves get confused by dueling narratives of fake bullshit.
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It wasn’t military. It’s as if Cuba forced down a NOAA plane in the North Atlantic. Don’t get confused by the team sports of faux-nationalism.
Unfortunately, the Chinese billionaires have the bulk of the Chinese people on side for this one. Totalitarian state control of the internet and other media works.
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What does this have to do with anything? Validating elite-national-personhood validates the bullshit. Why do it?
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“China’s seizure of the drone is viewed as a major diplomacy incident because the device is U.S. military property.”
It’s as if Cuba forced down a NOAA plane in the North Atlantic.
It’s hard to read your post with the gaslights dimming so much.
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I am not validating it; I am noting that it exists.
Plans that do not recognise the reality of rising Chinese nationalism and influence are not plans that will succeed.
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I think Trump marks the point where the US stops doing it and slides into a European style retirement.
I think the Rump represents a slide back to the elite-empire-naivete of the Truman and early Eisenhauer years.
I missed that it was military. Whups. It’s not like this thing was top secret weapon tech.
Maybe it should have been NOAA but for R-style budget cuts. This incident is so fucking stupid.
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Hope not. Probably was, though. Communications and/or instrumentation is probably way past commercial grade.
I wonder if Trump will cut the military atmospheric investigations, too?
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The fuckin’ thing should have been civilian though. Sigh. Maybe it has a fucking hydrophone.
It reminds me how the confirmation of tectonic plate theory had to wait for declassification of military ocean bottom surveys.
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Navies have been using “oceanographic research” as cover for espionage since the Napoleonic wars. Even if it was primarily measuring tides and currents, it was very possibly also keeping an eye out for subs and doing a bit of eavesdropping while it was at it.
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Making that hydrophonic data civilian would be a good thing for the world court. Let’s reassign these survey ships to civillian agencies, then.
…course, then our elites wouldn’t get special access for the purpose of deep sea oil drilling contracts. D’ya see where I’m going with this?
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I think one speculates on the motives and expected outcomes of Chinese actions at one’s own risk. Some foreign policy actions seem well calculated, while others seem impulsive and foolish. This could be an opportunistic move on a Chinese Navy officer’s part, or something that has been planned for a long time. There are many forces at play, and this could be just a way of getting one over on the US, and making it look foolish or weak, or a show of influence and strength in Philippine territory, to get back at them for winning the legal case, or probing the US to see how strong the reaction is.
It’s hard to say, but out of all the scenarios, I don’t think this would help them advance any legal claim. Quite the opposite.
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Tell that to the Tibetans, and the people of occupied Turkestan.
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it was very possibly also keeping an eye out for subs and doing a bit of eavesdropping while it was at it.
It’s not a very sophisticated piece of equipment, if it’s what they’re saying it is. Although it would make sense for the Philippines and US allies to keep an eye out for subs 50 miles from Subic. Not sure there’s much potential for eavesdropping on China that far away from China.
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Compared to Manifest Destiny or the USSR?
I didn’t say that they didn’t do it, I said that they didn’t do it much.
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That’s a huge territory that they’ve claimed with Tibet and Xinjiang. So much is a relative term, I suppose.
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When you’re talking about global superpower imperialism, scale gets screwy.
Compared to outward-facing conquest-based empires such as Britain was, China has traditionally been more inward-focused and tribute-based. Drawing in more than pushing out.
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Well, calling it “The Gulf of California” as is commonly done in the US as opposed to one of its other names used elsewhere does kind of suggest a claim similar to the “South China Sea”.
