But when they responded repeatedly in good faith with points that didn’t fit your narrative you dismissed their responses and accused them of misogyny. I don’t know how much clearer they could have been.
And when you think something doesn’t have a misogynistic component- the discussion should be over?
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I think that a request for clarification would be more along the lines of “Well if you’re not saying that, then what are you saying.”
With missing context, I did not understand why the user was being asked about animated gifs. That felt like a response to a completely different user. The user hadn’t mentioned animated gifs in the posts that I could see, so why would they be in a position to answer that? From what I could see after context was deleted, did it deserve a response? Why ask a user who has said nothing about animated gifs to defend their position on animated gifs. That’s how it looked without past context.
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I also want to just say that I feel really shitty having this discussion about somebody who isn’t even participating, but it also feels really crappy to just drag them into the middle of something they never asked for and, in my opinion, did not deserve.
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I’m not talking about what I thought. I’m talking about what the OP repeatedly said, quoted themselves saying and were routinely dismissed for even though they brought the receipts.
Did I? Can you point me to where I did that? Point me to the specific post where I called them misogynistic…
Again, “I agree with the OP” is not really that clear. If I missed a response, please provide.
So you don’t like how I phrased my response to them? I’m being a bully based on that?
They SAID that they agreed with the OP, which I assumed was the specific stuff about gifs, since that was the subthread under discussion which pointed to a specific problem that some other posters saw. That was the specific instance of “bullying” that was under discussion.
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But you’re saying that women see it as misogynistic and that you don’t. So Stop Talking!!!
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I’m also struggling to see where I called that poster misogynistic. Did I ever use that particular word or even imply it? And if we’re not meant to imply, and I never said that word, is that what I meant?
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Tis a puzzlement.
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Yeah, I never said that. And again, that’s the entire point of this thread.
Apparently, however I frame a genuinely meant request for further information, I’m doing it wrong…
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I mean it is funny, it is ironic, it is kind of actually how misogyny works though isn’t it? That when some conspiracy casts you as the heavy in the “libs seize the capitol for the Obama empire” plot and you say “no” that even your consent isn’t relevant? People need to have their fantasy about your aspirations!
Now I happen to think that Obama can deal with it and I’m not too worried about her. Probably way less a problem for her than the people who want to assassinate her or members of her family who likely exist.
But I mean there kind of is an inherent misogynoir to digging in to the position that Michele Obama may be the dem nominee suddenly somehow.
You don’t have to agree but it’s pretty unfair to treat that like it’s just being mean to hurt a rando. I didn’t see some of the posts myself, but the ones I did see or respond to I thought simply pointed out a reality and a very absolutely misogynistic component to the nature of speculation about Michele Obama, a prominent Black Woman who is deeply hated by both racists and misogynists.
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No, I never said that you are a bully. I don’t believe you are at all. I do think that you can phrase questions however you like, but a reply is never absolutely owed to you. And people who detect hostility in questions are not likely to respond even if the question itself is valid.
OP is @cannibalpeas in this thread.
Yeah, that’s all true, but again, absolutely not what the OP said. At any point. And they repeatedly tried to point people to their actual words and were dismissed and eviscerated over and over and over.
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And to clarify, when I say OP I mean the OP in the original thread who I’m not going to drag through this again by tagging. They had a shitty day and basically all of the assumptions I see here about them are just dead wrong.
Edit for typos.
Which was a thing that nearly happened recently, let’s not forget.
I asked a question, did not get a reply, which is the right of the poster I asked, but since they felt it was “hostile” I’m at fault?
So, if I don’t phrase a question just right, I should expect no response, no matter how valid my question is?
I’m aware. The gif issue was a subthread of the OP… That was the origin of the subthread. That was the source of the discussion, not the OP in general.
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Nobody is at fault, but people are allowed to pick up on hostility whether real or imagined and stop engaging as a result.
Even if you phrase a question perfectly, you may not get a response. That’s just how things are.
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Which is all very valid and very real. And also not at all what the OP said. And despite trying to make that known, well… here we are.
ETA: And again, I think it’s really disrespectful to re-litigate what someone else said without them present, but the thread was memory-holed, so what can be done but say “I disagree and think you missed the point.” (Not you specifically, btw)
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Why couldn’t that person say something like “oh shit i never thought of it that way” though. Maybe there really is a little racism and misogyny in this rumor and they should stop pushing it?
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When there is no response; you have to make your assessment based upon the available evidence and your experience.
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