DEA will ban kratom, a popular herbal supplement

pass stupid laws - face stupid consequences.
This war on the people must end.


I guess I would have to ask for your evidence to the contrary. Which corporate entity(s) would pull strings to ban kratom and why? Certainly there is some corporate control over how the government is run, but I don’t think you can blame everything on them.

I know the original conspiracy about various industries not wanting to compete with hemp being a factor with banning Marijuana. But what many people fail to see that if these items were LEGAL large companies would be making money hand over fist. Imagine Phillip Morris if they could get into the legal weed game.

I have no idea how easy Kratom is to get. It is a herbal supplement, so is it something you could buy in a store that sells herbal supplements, or is it more of a gas station/online thing? But some COMPANY was making and selling it, right?

Of course there is a third option - that there is no direct government power or corporate power over this decision - that there are legit concerns of people self dosing a drug or supplement that has negative effects if misused and the FDA is just doing their jobs. Which is why it was banned.

My original comment about power is more directed towards the general War on Drugs, which is responsible for more erosion of civil liberties than anything else. I still think the whole war on drugs is a failure and we should have the option to take potentially dangerous drugs if one is so inclined.


Lex’s Luthors cancer would like to have a word with you about that.

OH great, we now have a super nerd going to correct me because he read issue seven hundred blah blah that shows long term exposure to Kryptonite may increase the risk for cancer.

So when I said “harmless”, I was technically wrong.

But it certainly doesn’t have the same crippling effect that it has on Superman.


Just pointing out facts. You can be the bigger man and move on. (and the word you are looking for is “same” I doubt a safe crippling effect would be very crippling)

If the wink wasn’t enough, I was being facetious in my outrage.

ETA typo fixed.

Depends what kind of safe…


You just keep telling yourself that. What ever gets you to sleep at night.

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In the most extreme cases seizures are reported.


What happens in the most extreme cases of aspirin toxicity?


I guess acute liver failure and death are not as damaging to the public health as seizures…

According to the FDA, in the United States there were "56,000 emergency room visits, 26,000 hospitalizations, and 458 deaths per year related to acetaminophen-associated overdoses during the 1990s. Within these estimates, unintentional acetaminophen overdose accounted for nearly 25 percent of the emergency department visits, 10 percent of the hospitalizations, and 25 percent of the deaths."


If they care about seizures, why don’t they phase out the full-on high-frequency strobe lights on ambulances, police cars, etc.?


Why not both?


Let’s keep in mind that kratom is completely unregulated, with no standards, no quality controls, nothing. It’s helpful for many people, but there are alternatives that are way, way less sketchy and less prone to sending people to the ER.

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PLEASE EVERYONE SIGN THE PETITION…At least it could have an effect and it only takes a minute

I’ve been using kratom twice a week for the last year to help with chronic fatigue. Some observations:

  1. While kratom is mild compared to common opiates, it does have some of the same downsides. Taking daily over a long period of time can lead to tolerance, dependency and withdrawal. I’ve never had any of these problems taking it twice a week.

  2. Kratom’s effects are very subtle. In low doses, it’s helps with energy, motivation and mild pain relief. In higher doses, it can be sedating and mildly euphoric. I imagine all the seizures and other overdose issues are with people expecting to get high and taking way too much after they decide it’s not really working. Making kratom Schedule I will likely only serve to increase people’s perceptions that it’s a drug you can get high on.

  3. I’ve seen plenty of people claim that kratom helped them get off of harder drugs. I’ve also heard of cases of people who were off of hard drugs start taking kratom and then end up back on hard drugs. Based on the anecdotal evidence I’ve seen, I would guess that it’s helped more drug addicts than it’s hurt.

  4. Kratom is a great potential candidate for chronic conditions like pain and fatigue. It is likely to have fewer downsides than existing prescription pain meds. I hope this dumb move by the FDA doesn’t completely stop research into the medical benefits of this drug. It will make it harder, as it is a complete pain in the ass to obtain a Schedule I drug for research.


They’d have a lot of competition. Weed is far easier to grow than tobacco, and is useful in far smaller amounts. You could keep yourself supplied with the pot you grow in a broom closet, whereas a year’s worth of cigarettes would probably take about an acre of land in a particular climate.


Basically any headline containing “DEA” can be more productively read as:

“The shit-eating dogs in the DEA, who would happily deny someone in crippling pain relief, rather than take a chance that someone might use drugs for fun, are at it again.”


What: We the people are leading the charge to march in front of the white house to support Kratom and prevent the DEA from labeling Kratom as a Schedule I Substance

Link to Petition

Where: The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington D.C.

When: Thursday Sept 8th @ 12:00PM

Why: Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.
This is not true for Kratom, it has been shown numerous times in reports from users to help recovering Opiate addicts, treat pain, combat depression and anxiety, and much more. Deaths that involve Kratom being a persons’ system have always been from the result of mixing Kratom with other drugs, rather than Kratom alone. In states that banned Kratom, Alabama specifically, opiate usage and deaths went up after Kratom was banned in the state. Please stop the DEA from scheduling Kratom as Schedule I, there are many people who will suffer from this.



Let’s just hope that self-regulators end up heading in that direction, against all evidence to the contrary.


My problem with that, is, why kratom in particular, rather than every drug. I’d be down with a march demanding that we string every one of those fuckers up from the nearest lamppost.


See, for reference:
Fish – Now By Prescription
Sleep – Now By Prescription