Rubio is also raising a ton of money… but it doesn’t mean he’ll get elected. I know people love Sanders and the constant flow of money to him is great. but can he win elections? I’m skeptical personally… he’s got real issues getting nominated.
I will say that a Sanders vs. Trump fight will be very interesting (in a “May you live in interesting times” way). I know what we’d get out of Clinton administration… no idea what we’d get out of a Sanders administration. Gotta be careful not to raise him too high on a pedestal, though.
Clinton needs extremely high turn out among voters who are against her competitor, rather than fervently for her. If Trump continues to trash people of color and truly threaten their interests, she may get that turn out. But he seems to be dialing it down just a little lately, after having artfully piqued the interest of our aging racist cohort.
She is both dull and corrupt. It is not an engaging combination.
Hi, from the South here, and it is less progressive socially by far. This is reflected in many ways, particularly in their electoral politics. It is not a mis-characterization to refer to a region lagging in social advancement as being backwards or stuck in time, however wrong it may sound to your ears. It’s also reflected in their politics at the state and muni level, and most people there won’t hesitate to acknowledge it, notwithstanding that backward is a rude way to put it. Stuck in time is something they wear on their sleeves most days, and not an insult.
Neither of those descriptions correlate with bigotry like racism.
Fucking Ageist, stereotyping entire age groups, good thing you don’t criticize Trump for being a racist or I’d call you careless. (In case you can’t relate the above to your previous statement, this disclaimer is here)
Pragmatism eh? So were you ABC or what?, or is it just for US peeps, this pragmatism you seem latched to.
Pretty consistently seeing polls that indicate a Hillary/Trump matchup has her eking out a victory, and Bernie/Trump matchup having the non-crazy winning more decisively. Most of that likely has to do with Bernie and Trump fundamentally appealing to the same thing: anger at the political status quo. Some folks who would vote for Bernie might vote for Trump instead. Not necessarily enough to lose the election…but Trump’s got a lot of time to make himself look just a little less bananas.
I really don’t buy an argument that Clinton will do better with independents than Sanders. I’m also seeing plenty of people saying that they won’t vote Dem if Clinton is the candidate.
But I don’t think Trump will be the candidate, if the way it went this weekend is any guide, it’ll be Cruz. And any Dem will beat him handily, because he’s really, really awful.
I literally said Trump is outside the establishment. The GOP is leagues ahead of DNC when it comes to hating their own party, which is why Clinton seems safe.
I’m challenging your statement that Bernie would win because of principles when those winning the primaries are winning for anything but. Principles are not valued in this election in any way, nor have they been for as long as I have been voting (2000 being my first election). There’s not some magic that will happen to the voting public if it’s Trump vs Bernie where republicans will allow the dreaded socialism to return to America since the scourge of FDR.
Trump winning will tank GOP voter turnout and encourage DNC voters to come out, and neither DNC candidate is going to bring numbers to the polls. Arguably the GOP will vote for anything but Clinton, but Bernie isn’t exactly held in esteem either.
It can be depending on tone, that’s why Obama’s quote about people “clinging to guns and religion” got so much play. It wasn’t that the idea they preferred guns and religion was bad, it’s that he seemed to look down on them as a a group for it.
Generally the thing people have problems with is negative stereotypes, which was why I specifically avoided describing idealism as a bad thing. I did mention why I thought minority voters in specific might prefer the pragmatist but that would be something specific to their experience.
You only wish, along with most of our chattering class.
Trump (or at least his duel with the conventional Republican nominees) is pulling voters to Republican primaries who have not bothered to vote in past primaries. Republican turnout has been high – consistently higher than Democratic turnout in state after state. This will affect turn out in the general, to the Democrats detriment. Turn out has not gotten the coverage it should in our media, possibly because it is difficult for those covering these races to understand (math is not their forte).
I doubt Hillary can stoke the interest of anyone other than the most reliable, religious Democratic voters. Trump is a jackass, and may well drive off large numbers of less rabid Republican-leaning voters in the general election. Some of them might even protest vote for Hillary. However that loss may be swamped by a surge of votes from those who haven’t gone to the polls in decades.
I find most of our elite media prognosticators look like idiots right now. They have no idea what is going to happen in the fall. Neither do you.
As it is, the obvious reply is “the rest of the world doesn’t actually like your government using guns and trade wars to force your laws on everybody else.” Tell your government to stop trying to force the whole world to follow US law, and you might have a case.
As a southern democrat that supports Bernie my personal theory is this. The south are basically a giant mass of red states. With how the system is currently our votes literally do not matter because the electorate deligates are going to vote republican.
The Democratic Primary is the process the Democratic Party uses to determine which candidate it should field in the general election. Why is it shocking that people who have spent years supporting and working for the party receive delegate votes? Super delegates are in place to help stop-gap disasters like what is happening right now in the GOP. This is not a general election, it is a party election.
Nothing is preventing Sen. Sanders from running for president in the general election.
8 years ago, I got a bit excited about Obama. At the same time, I was also posting in various places reminding people how Obama wasn’t actually as progressive as he was being portrayed at the time, and that everyone should prepare for disappointment.
I don’t have those qualms about Bernie; the only area where I could wish for a bit more from him right now is gun control.
This is what I’ve seen too. Masses that would in the past have constrained their political discourse to spitting on the ground or a shaken fist with a few choice words, who don’t bother to vote in a general election, let alone a primary, are being stirred and coming out.
