Will be interesting if they continue testing results (after psychology and econ) into the hard sciences to see if they fare better. My hypothesis is that they will.
Oh thatâs so weird Cory. I just bought and watched the DVD for The Black Hole by Disney the other day. How does the image relate to the article? Never mind, thanks for the image!
Nothing coherent comes out of economics âresearchâ?
An even better header image would be âshit in, shit outâ - any suggestions?
The paper isnât just âeconomics = voodoo.â They make a slew of concrete suggestions for improvement.
EDIT: Oops, didnât mean to reply to @renke. Soz!
As if I would RTFA before commenting
I suspect weâll be unpleasantly surprised, depending on the journal and the science. Look at all the medical assertions, especially those related to diet, that are frequently overturned because previous studies were done with poor methodologies, not-statistically-significant group sizes, etc. Though thereâs also some overlap between âunrepeatableâ and ârepeatable but meaningless.â
The Black-Schole?
So shocking to hear that economics is rarely practised scientifically!
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A professor once pointed out that whereas monarchs of old surrounded themselves with astrologers, the rulers of today tend to surround themselves with economists.
I canât imagine what he was getting atâŚ
If they are failing papers for not uploading their data, I suspect for physics and astronomy things will be rather a lot worse, because of the impractically huge datasets.
My fiancee is an economist, her datasets frequently weigh in at around ~100 GB, and are proprietary and delivered to her in physical formats (things like partial zip files spread across a bunch of DVDs). so even if she could host the data herself, she wouldnât be legally allowed to in many cases.
I found the problem. One important part of science is reproducibility, data with NDAs attached is doubleplusungood.
Iâd tend to agree. I know the health data is very highly controlled (I think dept. of HHS oversees that), and a lot of the data that exists on things like credit default is owned by the companies that oversee the credit, and the data itself is a revenue stream for them.
Okay, did I read that right? In 66% of cases they couldnât replicate the results using the code and data provided by the authors? Like, the study says, âWe ran this code on this data and got this result,â and then they ran that code on that data and got a different result? Then, when they got the authors to help them run the code the right way it only went up to 49%?
To put this another way, if an economist gives you code that says: âecho Hello Worldâ there is a 50% chance they say that when you run it, it will print âPeople are driven by self interestâ on your screen?
Iâm not surprised. Remember the Reinhart/Rogoff study? The one used for bringing down half of Europe with the 90 % debt level figure? Ineptly used Excel.
[quote=âdoctorow, post:1, topic:67367â]The most common cause of our inability to replicate findings is that authors do not provide files to the journal replication archives, which constitutes approximately half of our failed replication attempts (21 of 38 papers, 55%).[/quote]Seems specious. This is less like âwe canât replicate the findingsâ and more like âthe authors wonât let us try to replicate the findingsâ.
or âthe authors used the only data available, which is proprietary and/or protected by privacy laws.â Probably not an exclusive or.
This doesnât surprise me, weâre swimming in an ocean of data, and human beings are pattern recognition and bias monsters. Iâve always found it odd how economics as a discipline is mostly post-hoc rationalization of prior events with little predictive power, yet it earned the title of âthe dismal science.â Dismal, maybe. Science⌠maybe.
But weâre talking about published studies. The data they used and their methods have to be available, otherwise how could they be peer reviewed?
Reviewers can get access (on request) to confidential data that went into the study, that is not subsequently publicly published. Even if the data is non-confidential, it could simply be impractical to âpublishâ the data (if say, itâs many gigs), even though itâs theoretically available for access.