I still just don’t flippan’ see it. Perhaps it is because I have been surrounded by power hungry narcissists for so many years, but at this point in the game I can’t even begin to imagine the socialization you are talking about without a very strong centralized authority with legal and physical means to enforce said societies.
(Give me a sec to reread a bit, I likely missed something)
I disagree. I don’t agree the power of the individual to choose their own path trumps (heh) the system they are a part of.
I agree that whatever system an individual is part of should protect each person equally, but the value of the system is greater than any one person.
Just one thing to point out… I’m not necessarily interested in ‘proving’ something that hasn’t been tried with millions of people can work. That’s beyond impossible.
I am however happy to poke at it conceptually to enhance the model, but in order to implement anything I’ve had to focus on a very specific and very precise approach that initially would only work for a subset of the population.
I’ve got a few mechanisms to create the support structures you’re missing (most of them honestly involve specialized groups and a more limited structure connecting them… we’d obviously need HR, Health, Education, and all the other equivalents and they’d require an umbrella of some sort), but I’m trying not to prime the pump on that one too much because I expect there are some other (even better) solutions that we’re missing. I do like the proxy authority approach though, so that’s my personal choice if nothing else comes up.
However, the bar is set VERY low for most of the humans on the planet, and this isn’t just for us Westerners…and it’s certainly not for power hungry narcissists. Not ‘hiring’ them is addition by subtraction.
And I am not poking holes, being dismissive, or prescriptive. Just bantering, really.
Oh yeah, but I really meant that I like watching for other options! In almost every case (especially work, but this also) things that needed improvement resulted in far more improvement than I could’ve imagined. I seriously love when I find a flaw, it’s like a free level-up!
But I think it’s useful to point out that the starting point isn’t to compete for people who are already doing fine in jobs here in the U.S., instead it’s to compete for people who want better places to be where they don’t have to deal with the sort of harassment that gets brought up frequently on this site.
I can get just as much productivity out of orphans and refugees (more, actually) and the first three business plans I’ve got to roll with only require a couple of individuals with advanced skillets, everything else I’ve seen people learn faster on the fly.
Eventually…yeah, I plan on focusing on a wider audience, but not until I run out of the ‘prime candidates’ 
I bet that @japhroaig has an advanced skillet!
That’s what I don’t get about denying refugees. They have already proven to be resourceful, so why can’t we hire them?
Popo shoots, popo SCORES!!
(I didn’t even see that one :D)
What I mean is that current systems often give too much power to a few people and reduce the power that most people have to express their choices, change systems and leave them if they aren’t suitable. Essentially, the individuals on top trump the system. I’m not sure whether a fully egalitarian system would work, but it should be a lot flatter.
And they’re well motivated and don’t have weird expectations, which is HUGE.
For me the big one is the motivation though, I’ve worked in a few Skunkworks type projects and more often than not the guy from the third world country who didn’t know that he was supposed to ignore his mistakes instead of learning from them (and heaven forbid and American asks questions about something they don’t know) that passed the rest of us up.
What do you do, by the way? I might be looking you up! 
Would you like to join my professional network on LinkedIn? (I couldn’t help myself :D)
Let’s see, my new biz cards say ‘Member, Technical Staff’. But I usually build software and break software. I’m not really a hacker, but I do hack.
Ha!
And what the heck, I’m THIS Will on Linkedin (Anybody here can add me, I’m not all shy or anything)
And cool, I’m not a developer myself from a plain-old-programming standpoint and that’s a role that’s definitely waiting to be filled. I won’t be going forward probably for a year and a half or so, but that’s mostly because I’m enhancing a couple of other skillsets to knock my prototype out of the park (it’s a healthcare/data analytic thing where my old company is pretty much stealing money from the State in exchange for a fraction of the features I can promise. They’ve already spent about 5 mil on it in one state and won’t be done until 2019)
Exciting. I’m esp. curious and interested in process.
As a practical question, what’s the procedural template for prospective group members identify, engage, recruit and nurture rapport with each other? Esp. if we begin with a near zero cash income, zero cash asset situation.
Well, first of all, starting out without having more than sufficient resources is absolutely NOT an option here. We’re using the shell of a corporation for a reason, we acquire resources externally just like anybody else does.
Part of the reason (yes, there are many, I know) for the internal campus structure is to make things more cost effective by the way. Remember that ‘character builder’ concept you were excited about? Don’t think of it as an perfectly balanced system, think of it as an unbalanced one with the ‘points’ skewed’ away from the player… so every time you pick something you want and drop something you don’t you end up with resource value that makes you less expensive overall.
We want to steer away from using ‘American dollars’ or any other existing financial system internally because they’re just that not efficient to work with and keeping them on the fringes opens up some options that we don’t legally have if we pay people in dollars. Worldminers would still be working on dollars and the first groups would be hybrid Worldminer/Peoplespheres until we get critical mass…so people largely engaged directly in society but owning their campus and being able to live there…starting with simple things like having meeting rooms turning into gaming rooms in the evening and moving on from that point.
Once we DO have critical mass, then people in the internal/Peoplespheres groups will get to pick their economic system. You’re familiar with company towns so scrip is obviously an option, or dubloons, or a sort of polyeconomy, or whatever works for you. It’d parallel things like company stores as well (or military ones), but with a LOT more options, plus at that point we should have Peoplespheres specifically dedicated to making higher quality entertainment products and such that are sold externally but completely free internally.
Getting a burst of ‘American Dollars’ would still be an option somebody could choose, but it’d be more like fun money as things like housing, food, and anything else internal would be paid for by the internal economic system the person’s group chose. So more for ordering weird things on Amazon and such…though the overall mission is to gobble up as much of our supply chain as is possible, which means if we’re ordering the same things over and over then we’re going to want to look into making BETTER versions of it internally. That’s a mantra, not just ‘cheaper’, but also ‘higher quality’. We buy a lot of crap, after all.
The ‘internal economy’ and nudging away from external dollars has a lot of legal benefits as well, including guaranteeing we can ride the ‘prototype loophole’ and not worry so much about patent laws until we’re talking about releasing a product, and we can treat our internal people as beta testers for all of our latest toys. We’d start with things we can sell, of course, but we’re not locked on that particular course.
And keep in mind, that’s a SPECIFIC vision that’s tied to the approach I’m being forced to take in order to implement it without explaining things to everyone, this way I can just start this as a small business and only pitch the basic business model to a VC rather than explain all this other stuff (though the right Angel Investor might really like it all…yes I’m talking to you and others like you, Guy Kawasaki! )
How’s that, did I hit all the notes or miss anything?
Oh, and just to toss this out there. I don’t particularly LIKE doing all this solo and it is kind of exhausting trying to put together useful articles about it with my limited skillset and resources (hence my still having not completed ‘Franchising Civilization’, though I also figured I’d avoid putting that one out until after the holidays)
I’d love some help putting some better descriptive media or a wiki or something out there. I’m admittedly prone to distraction and am doing this more out of a sense of duty (I really wish somebody else had done it already, then I could join!). I’ll totally get it done, but I wouldn’t mind making this more about several people and a collective effort rather than something just about me. I’m more the grand vizier type, after all!
But no pressures to anyone, I’m on a good trajectory. 
Serendipitously, I ran into a mention of Begich Towers on Tumblr. It seems like a interesting case study candidate.
Thus concludes our collaboration.
Just kidding — sort of. I need to opt-in to a “real world” sort of project that fits the community situation. Very limited income or assets is an inescapable part of that reality for most communities. I’m interested in sharing that community work, not exiting the community.
Honestly, I’d expect most communities to stay pretty coherent or at least maintain a coherent core.
Also, I didn’t mean that people had to ENTER with resources, they just would have to get hired to fill a role…that role doesn’t have to parallel job roles as defined currently, they’d just have to be roles that the community needs…but we wouldn’t be talking about sustainable communities that don’t help us add more innocent, motivated people until we’ve maximized our expansion.
That’s a moral imperative…all the babies deserve all the opportunities. There are too many planned communities out there that are completely unable to expand, and I don’t want to make one of those.
When you factor in the inefficiency/ineffectiveness of most corporations and the reduced cost for people by avoiding waste they don’t want in their lives, there’s going to be lots of buffer room for all kinds of people.
That’s actually a design component too. The point is to ride the resources created by a small number of highly motivated people that everyone else is supporting and deliberately NOT be telling people to stop when they’re on a roll, which creates more opportunities down the road.
If you dig into the other articles over at the biggish idea site then it should be pretty clear that the end result is to allow for those various sorts of communities without them being fragile or struggling for resources, in fact the starting point for Rightly Broken Rule IS one of those…but if not it’s just because I’m not a ‘tell’ kind of guy and this whole ‘writing descriptions down’ is the opposite of how I normally operate (successfully, I might add!)
It is interesting though I’m curious to “opt-in” (per @William_Holz) to projects for unsheltered people that leverage open sourced, shared technologies — for example, hexayurt or EDAR.
Everyone on this planet should support equality for all people --sadly the earth we live on is infested with sexism, homophobia, racism, bigotry, greed, corruption and violence.
Equality for all–we must be kinder to each other, including domestic and wildlife animals.
