Yeah. I’m an OLD fart with an obnoxiously loud car!
Now get off my lawn, you kids! Or I’ll rev my engine!
or vu vu
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this. if you drive a gas engine, or an electric over 20mph, we know you are there; from either engine or tire noise, or both.
the horn is so people in other sound-dampened cages can hear you. for everyone else, a normally-modulated sound is needed.
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Pointing out the existence of a potentially conflating variable is not the same thing as debunking a study. That’s not how scientific discourse works.
This is certainly true at speed. It is not true when the cars are traveling slowly and the roads are in good condition. It is especially not true when the roads are covered with packed snow, as they were in Norway when I had problems nearly daily with stealth electric cars.
The National Federation of the Blind in the US and the Guide Dog Trust in the UK have advocated very strongly for these new rules, as presumably have other such organizations in Europe (where the EU has passed similar legislation). I assume this is based on the experience of their membership. Maybe we should write them and insist that their observations have been debunked by some guy @Medievalist knows.
In-cabin noise is not the point.
That works for me, though I wouldn’t use the term “noise;” “sound” is good enough. As @Brainspore points out, there is no de facto difference in requiring sound from all cars and sound from electrics.
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I remember an interview with one of the members of Kraftwerk who described Autobahn as being “about cars singing a melody”
Car noise is already quite beautiful sometimes - there no reason artificial car noise couldn’t be low and pleasant
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Then we have no argument. We both oppose laws exempting high-polluting cars from sound requirements, and we both support sound requirements for vehicles.
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Pure anecdote here but because I’m hard of hearing and cars share space with people in my area, quiet vehicles are a problem not just for me but also the kids and old folks in the area. Heck even with hearing aids in I don’t notice em behind me.
Also since its actually illegal to honk except for “life threatening situations” here, drivers won’t even bip bip to let you know they are behind you.
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I do the same, with a bluetooth speaker in a little basket on the handlebars.
The screaming rabbit sound that they used in Waco on the Branch Dravidians?
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I appreciate the personal perspective! The plural of anecdote is data.
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