Wives (or husbands) cannot “treat” their spouses personality disorders. Nor AHDH. Nor Autism. Nor any other health issue. Thats is for health professionals.
And with that Im out for now.
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You’re right, poor choice of wording. “Change” or “influence” would probably have been better.
I think I’ve said enough too. 
I think this deserves to be highlighted. It’s such a useful thing to remember–not just for any disorder or illness, but across the board for all humanity.
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to quote you:
So you think one thing. I think another.
You added that not anyone else agrees with me. How you determined what “not anyone else thinks”… well, that is a story I do not want to hear.
I don’t think it matters to you. I only noted that you said it.
I have my own doubts that there is much of a direct correlation between what you say and what you care about. I also don’t spend any of my time wondering about that.
But I do note the appearance of manipulative speech patterns and black and white language - in myself and others. In this case, in your writing (not your thoughts, only your writing. I have no real guesses about your thoughts, but I can read what you wrote, when and if I choose to).
Ta!
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[quote=“grimloki, post:206, topic:75321”]
Personality disorders are very treatable[/quote]
Define “very treatable”. Because that sounds an overoptimistic view. BPD and NPD can achieve success through medication and a fuckton of work but certainly not as easily as this comes off.
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Thank you.
And some other people are sharing experiences about those actually diagnosed as sociopathic.
We could talk about our experiences with people on the spectrum, but that would be better accomplished in another thread, rather than using disruptive language, as I see being used in the recent parts of this thread.
I always find it remarkable what experts others can be about personal experiences that aren’t their own - when certain subjects come up.
What are people,if not what they do?
who said that? You’ve added that to what was said. Unfinished human is not non-human. Please don’t add and then get mad about what you added.
Like, for example, narcissism and narcissistic are not interchangeable. Think of it like red and rose. Red is Red. Rose is red-ish. Don’t play semantics and then call out others semantics. That’s just self loathing behavior.
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to be the one you pay your attention to? You did that.
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that does not mean anyone other than you has equated them in this conversation.
Dogs and cats are both abandoned by people, does that make a conversation about dogs into one about cats?
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I have found no credible evidence of either of these disruptive claims.
And I’ve looked.
Perhaps you could offer some credible citations for your extraordinary claims?
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No. He said incomplete. And hell yes I agreed with him. That’s my experience too.
incomplete is not “non”. That’s your rounding error. Not mine. Not his.
WHAT NARRATIVE? I submit that, as above, there is an attribution error being made, by you, such that what YOU imagine (a ‘narrative’) is what SOMEONE ELSE meant even when they said no such thing.
You can’t hold people responsible for what YOU THINK they meant to say, but never actually did.
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This.
@jsroberts - you know I love you, but I do think there is a parsing error here. Even the “non-human” thing was not as you read it. I think you are bringing things into this conversation and dumping them on us and we have no idea what they are.
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I did. I read them.
You and I interpret my words differently, and apparently you’re the expert in both what I said (That I did not) AND ALSO what that meant to me when I said it.
Please, work on your boundaries.
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Fine, I’ll rephrase that to this: I’m obviously not able to argue rationally at the moment. I’ll take both of your word for it that what was meant was “incomplete”, and take my criticism back. I still don’t think there’s evidence that it takes away all ability to choose, but disagreement is fine. Sorry for the heated words @AcerPlatanoides .
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No. Take the actual words at face value. The word used by others, and quoted by you, was “incomplete”.
To do ANYTHING ELSE is not someone not named you behaving badly. It’s you behaving badly.
Again, that’s not what anyone said. You’ve added that to the conversation, and it’s pretty disagreeable. I don’t fault you for disagreeing with it… I do find some fault with that being added by you, to what I said, and then disagreeing with ME, when it’s not me who thought that, nor said it. THAT WAS YOU TOO.
I’m sorry that you’re having a hard time here. Maybe start a thread about autists, rather than jacking this one, WHICH ISN’T.
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Look, I really don’t want to argue, I’m bothered about something else and I’m better off staying off the internet for the evening. Please just take it as me backing away.
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I will not take false assertions about what I said, thought, and meant as backing away.
I submit that you really DID want to argue, you maybe didn’t want to be logical about it.
I do wish you luck, and I look forward to you returning in a more logical, fair, and kind frame of mind. I’ll gladly meet you there.
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I know that it probably wasn’t meant the way that @jsroberts is taking it, but I have to say that I agree that the “I know psychopaths aren’t really people in the way that I know people.” line that @LDoBe said (and @AcerPlatanoides posted agreement with) made me wince. Even with the “the way I know people” caveat attached, saying that someone isn’t a person is a really icky thing to do.
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I’m comfortable calling this guy, specifically, inhuman.
It’s like, imagine a hyena, except in human form. This hyena cares about 3 things:
- Making sure he pays for nothing. Usually to the point where things that belong to you start going missing one-by-one.
- Seeing in person, any suffering he knows about. He’ll go to lengths to set people up into sophie’s choice kinds of situations. “You can do what I want, or you can lose everything/go to prison/harm will come to your loved ones/I’ll tell X where you are”. He loves it.
- Wearing a nice pair of Italian shoes.
When I said he doesn’t feel remorse earlier in the thread, I meant it. He’s not once apologized for any wrongdoing sincerely. Then he’ll bitch and moan about being forced to apologize. This isn’t a principled thing for him. He simply doesn’t feel bad when he hurts anyone else for any reason. It’s just not a thing that works in his brain, not because he’s stubborn. Because he has the morality of a lizard.
He’s a social predator of humans.
Empathizing with him is a waste. At best I can muster up disgust at his existence. It’s not like circumstance put him in prison where he is now. He chose to do that shit, because it’s what got him off.
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