Extra “Teen Tax” added to bill for children dining alone at New Jersey restaurant

That’s a bacronym. It never stood for that. The origins of tipping sit in older class structures where there were distinct servant and aristocrat/oligarch classes and wasn’t common practice outside of the upper crusts of society until quite recently. There was internecine ettiquette about how much was tipped to whom based on the class, role, specific work being done. And even race of the worker. And it was as much about enforcing class roles and showing off wealth as it was about providing additional compensation.

You shouldn’t buy that tips have any correlation to service level/quality. Numerous studies, nearly every one ever done on the subject have shown that’s just not true. And I’ve certainly seen that to be true in my many years in food bev.

More over you have to realize that thanks to the current state of our labor laws and disposition of our restaraunt business. That tip is not something extra you can pay or not as you please. It is the entire compensation that that server, bartender or bus boy will receive for doing the work of serving you. Their professional very hard work. So fucking around with the tip. You aren’t just telling some one they don’t deserve to be paid for the job they just did. You’re litterly not paying them for doing their job (or paying them less than the going rate for their labor).

And if you really don’t return to places that add a grat line you must have a terrible time finding places to eat. Nearly every restaurant that has a modern POS system does this by default for checks above a certain size (dollar amount or party size) and a large number of those running paper checks do it as well, at the discretion of the server.

This part goes for the both of you:

Automatic gratuities are standard restaurant practice. Unless some one is legitimately taking advantage (and trashy servers do) the suggested (suggested) gratuity will be clearly listed as a seperate line on the bill. Along with some explanatory text/disclaimer.

You are under no obligation to pay this gratuity. It is listed on your bill as a convenience. To help you with the math when the check number is large. Increasingly at multiple common percentages (15%, 18%, 20%, 25% are the most common). You do not need to have it removed. You do not need to have a seperate check printed. You are entirely free to tip however you wish right there on the original bill. Cash or credit. And there are commonly log lines in the total section for doing just that.

Noone is charging you a different price. No one is changing the terms after the fact. Noone is adding anything to the total of your bill.

Restaraunts and restaurant workers do this because it works. Large parties and parties with large checks commonly tip poorly. Most often because they fuck up the math after a heavy meal and lots of alcohol (sometimes they’ll even vastly over tip). But also because many people roll on the assumption that the 20 bucks you’d leave on a party for two is just as appropriate on a party of 18 despite it being vastly more work, and involving more staff. Or balk when they see the bill and get their savings on the tip side.

Unscrupulous servers will try to pull one over and get you to double tip. But that’s a shitty server, and while nearly every restaurant has one, its far less common than you think. More commonly servers and bartenders deploy this outside its normal use when they have reason to believe they will be stiffed. If you find yourself getting gratted in situations that wouldn’t ordinarily call for it. Commonly find yourself getting a bill with a grat on it that noone points out to you. Well then servers are commonly assuming you’ll be a bad tipper.

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Tipping isn’t optional Mr. Pink, it’s just expected that you’ll be able to manage it on your own.

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Because children and teenagers are loaded with money!

If you can afford to eat out, you can afford to tip.

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Scheisse happens sometimes and it is not always the servers fault. A few that come to mind…

Maybe other servers called in sick and the remaining servers had sections that were too large to serve appropriately.
Perhaps the waiter had too many tables seated at one time in their section.
Maybe the cooks made a mistake with the food order and that issue wasn’t apparent to the server (meat cooked too well or rare).
Maybe the waiter has an overly demanding and petty customer that requires a lot of attention.

All but (maybe) the last are management responsibilities.

Maybe the restaurant should pay the servers more than $2.13 an hour.

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Tips will be a thing as long as patrons keep shaming each other into tipping.

It’s not really about the servers or the service. It’s definitely not about the minimum wage. It’s the customers showing off to each other how generous they can be toward the little people.

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The rule of thumb: If someone tells you some English word comes from an acronym, don’t believe it.

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If its not optional- why the hell don’t they just put it in the upfront price- and quit with the shifty practices.
At least when you deal with the Mafioso- you have a reasonable expectation that they’ll rip you off somehow- this restraunteur doesn’t afford its customers that, ironic, courtesy.

What the hell is the story with serving staff in the US not getting a wage from their employer- like they get in every other country on the planet? If this was any other country- the owner of the establishment would be up in court over what can only be described as an abusive practice.

I tip- if the food and the service is good. It should not be expected for normal pedestrian service or food quality- and I shouldn’t be guilted into paying someone’s wages- if the service is appalling or the food quality is abysmal- yet, that is the situation that seems to be the norm in much of America.

TIP- stands for- ‘To Insure Promptness’ and is a concept that was devised by repeat customers to try and get staff to go that extra mile on a repeat visit. I.e. it was a down payment for a future visit- to try and secure an exceptional service on their next visit. Somewhere along the line- this has turned into a golden opportunity for restraunteurs and others- to wriggle out of paying their staff…

As someone who, as a teen, often felt obligated to make up for friends’ poor tipping (and lucky enough to be in a position to do so), I agree completely.

RE: eliminating tipping and paying a living wage: I agree, but remember what happened when Maine tried it. Servers (at least some of them) opposed it, and it failed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/27/maine-tried-to-raise-its-minimum-wage-restaurant-workers-didnt-want-it/?utm_term=.6eeec5b64d8d

Nope.

Look, we can agree that is would be better for employees to make a living wage rather than relying on tips but that’s basically a burnt bridge at this point. Many customers enjoy tipping (yes, as a reward for good service but also as a way of showing “generosity”) and are turned off by no tipping restaurants. In this case you should still tip a minimum and work your way up if you must reward good service. Many servers also like tips because they end up making more on tips than on a fixed wage. There’s also issues with tip sharing between different positions.

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If it’s itemized on the receipt (and I’m like 99.99% sure it is) then it’s not fraud. If you’re worried about the cost then it’s your responsibility to check the damned receipt.

OK, then they have to increase the prices printed on the menu, patrons decide to skip them over in favor of restaurants that DO pay $2.13 an hour, and they go out of business.

If you think restaurants should pay more, then you should talk to your congresspeople.

This doesn’t really make any sense. In my experience, no one really pays attention to how much other patrons are tipping.

For me, it’s absolutely about the servers – I have friends who have worked as servers so I know how hard and shitty it is in many ways, so i try to give what I consider to be fair compensation for the effort involved.

You should consider speaking for yourself instead of assuming everyone who’s not you is a flaming asshole. I guarantee the world will seem like a better place.

It’s on the receipt. Why do you think they print the things out for you?

It’s a coordination problem. Any restaurant the unilaterally tries to buck the system goes out of business. It had to be dealt with at a high level through regulation at this point – individual restaurant owners won’t be able to effect change on this.

Please feel free to get in touch with your congresspeople about this. in the meantime, tip your server appropriately.

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I’m tipping for better than usual service or don’t tip at all. I want professionalism not faux-smarminess. The money I pay for the goods and service received is to the establishment. It’s the owners responsibility to pay their staff a wage. Apply the “tax” to everyone. But what do I know … I live in country were people get a paid a living wage.
Btw apart from the wage aspect it’s probably discrimination based on age …

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We should! However, it’s going to require a legislative change. We have to remove the minimum wage exemption for tipped workers. Most restaurants can’t just raise their prices and start paying more. In a market where other businesses are taking advantage of slave wages, they would be at a serious disadvantage. We have to make it so that no one can underpay their employees.

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Yep and it seems to be working well in Seattle as I stated earlier. I have found dinner to be no more or less expensive than before hand even at the fancy places. I still tip the baristas that know how to make a proper cappuccino though as that seems to be a rare talent even in Seattle so they deserve a reward for that.

It’s not a “gratuity” if it’s mandatory.
Call it a “service charge” if you will, but calling it a gratuity is silly.

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Discriminatory pricing is not a good idea.

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Or the manager of a restaurant could pull up their big girl/boy pants and just tell the table of teens to take a hike if they aren’t ordering things after a reasonable amount of time. (Reasonable amount of time being necessarily variable based on time of day, how busy they are etc.)

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Never really got that, but I pretty much always tip above 20%: round bill to nearest dollar, do 20%, round up to nearest dollar.

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Waitstaff in San Francisco are paid minimum wage and have health insurance benefits. Is it ok if I don’t tip them any more?