Former Mozilla CTO was detained at US border and told he had no right to a lawyer

[armozel]

Apparently, he’s been vocally anti-Trump and he’s in cryptography so that’s two black marks on his record with this administration. It’s no surprise Screaming Orange is harassing these folks considering he’s pro-privacy.

[MsScience]

Looking to start doing more in-state travel. Any tips?

[LorenPechtel]

No surprise about losing Global Entry–that program expects you to be a good little sheep, you normally lose it if you have an issue with CBP even if you were in the right.

[anothernewbbaccount]

@anon62577920

gonna need you to be more specific

Well, I cannot speak for @Carbonman, but … maybe any country at all except Russia?

[anon72705028]

LEO can lie all day and get paid.

It is what makes them pigs.

[tsath]

The chorus of my favorite song starts with the notes ACAB

[Carbonman]

@anon62577920

gonna need you to be more specific

I’m a Canadian. You know, the horrible land of socialized medicine.

[jlargentaye]

Signs you live in a dystopia include:

142. You avoid international travel because of the risk of trouble with your own nation’s customs.

[MildBill]

Not to speak for @anon81034786, but I read that as:

“Knowing that this particular threat was bogus might help you keep your cool if you are ever in this situation.”

or

“Learning more about your rights can give you something to hold onto when someone’s trying to confuse you about which end is up.” Just my interpretation.

[apalatn]

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[SteveL]

Have not been to the USA since 2008 and don’t intend to visit until things change down there.

[Perrin_Rynning]

Occasionally wishing that I could emigrate to a sane country. The closest approximations I can think of are Finland, Norway, Scotland and Australia; the last mostly because the place is honest about the fact that everything is trying to kill you. Here in the US, the regressives smile and give a mildly sympathetic look to the cameras while putting effective healthcare out of reach while suppressing wages and alllowing housing to skyrocket. “It’s for the best,” they murmur as I starve to death while also dying of preventable diseases whose treatments are priced as high as the market will bear. “Gotta protect the shareholder dividends…”

[dweller_below]

Lately, my standard teaching material for my security students includes brief notes on best practices when traversing National boundaries, and best practices for handling “Nuke” passwords:

When selecting devices to take on an International trip:

• Don’t take it, if you can’t afford to lose it. Any device or data taken on a trip may be lost, stolen or imaged.
• All info on a device should be backed up somewhere else before traveling.
• NEVER trust a device that has been taken from you and then returned.
• If your device is taken from your posession for an hour, then returned, it has probably been imaged. It probably also has malware.

Suggested best practices when traversing a national border or interacting with agents of a government:

1. Your best approach is to blend in. Do preparation to ensure that important devices, sensitive access, or sensitive information is not present, and not exposed. Don’t volunteer anything. Comply with every order. Don’t worry, be happy! Let them seize whatever, make their copies and plant their malware. None of it is important. You can wipe or replace everything later. You won’t lose anything important. Your goal is to not waste time or draw attention to yourself. It is easier to move information around the Internet, then it is to get a fingernail clipper past a hostile TSA agent.
2. Avoid puting all your eggs in one basket. Complete access to sensitive info should never be a possible outcome. For example, don’t travel with BOTH encrypted data and knowledge of encryption keys. Don’t put the access and the data together in one, easily seized location. If you ARE complete access, then change the access before entering into dispute. When dealing with agents of government, it is best to be able to truthfully say: “I do not have access to protected, sensitive information. I don’t know the password or I can’t do the 2-factor. At some time in the future, my business verifies that everything is OK, then they give me access.” If you have a lawyer, then you can get significant protection during a dispute by giving him control over access to sensitive material.

Suggested best practice for handling “Nuke” passwords:

1. The best (probably only) time to use a Nuke password is BEFORE you lose control.
2. Nuke passwords will NOT destroy data after it is properly imaged and handled by a trained forensic specialist.
3. ALL governments actively prosecute anybody who lies and says a Nuke password is his real password. NEVER claim that your Nuke password is your real password.
4. The best way to utilize a “Nuke” password after you lose control, is place it where your adversary will discover it.

[Wanderfound]

@frauenfelder

While CBP has a long history of mistreating foreigners, immigrants, and asylum seekers entering the US, more recently CBP has also started to aggressively question, unlawfully detain, and in some cases physically assault U.S. citizens crossing the border.

Democrat voters fondly recall presidency of George W. Bush

Which highlights the key new feature of the current administration. Under Trump, the treatment that was previously reserved for poor/foreign/non-white people is now being extended to all non-fascists.

[Bozobub]

@tgarretteaton

…it’s easy for me to imagine how a fascist police force could be unleashed on the American people.

Err, “Could be”…?

[denizen_du_marais]

I was expedited and banned entry to u.s for 5 (plus?) years for basically intent to busk. and sternly told by the customs officer “you can’t do that to America” I spent 6 hours detained and listening to the ice agents gleefully brag to each other with their best stories of catching families at the border.

and they laughed maniacally.

well they didn’t laugh maniacally

but I could’t resist adding that , but they did laugh and maybe just slightly almost a little bit maniacally, and regrettably in leaving I did sing them a song about smiling and being happy and I thought for moment they would shoot me as they chased me running along side my car on foot as I drove back to other side.

[smulder]

@jlargentaye

How does on prepare for the unknown?

10. “I explicitly invoke the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.”

11. “I want a lawyer.”

12. “I want to talk to a judge then.”

13. GOTO 10

[petzl]

@weekendlites

A trucker in the Canadian border was hauling tractor tires. The border agents in their search removed all the tires from his truck with a fork lift and left them on the ground and would not help him reload his vehicle or even let him use the lift.

I wonder if you could call the local police on the CPB, in that situation. It seems like CPB only respect force and if you’re “just” a citizen, they do what they want.

[anothernewbbaccount]

Talking of groupings, someone here linked to something the other day that resonated with me.
It was a definition of Conservatism. But I think it is as much a definition of the Establishment, or in this day and age, whoever has power.

It stated that Conservatism was defined by there being two groups in society - an in-group who are protected by the law but not bound by it, and an out-group who are bound by the law but not protected by it. The membership of the out-group is being expanded, it seems. And ultimately we know where that ends, when a certain type of in-group has power.

First they came for…

If you tolerate this…

[karl_jones]

@smulder

10. “I explicitly invoke the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.”
11. “I want a lawyer.”
12. “I want to talk to a judge then.”
13. GOTO 10

It’s because of cases like this that GOTO is Considered Harmful:

Considered harmful

Update: See also Recursive attorney disorder:

http://gnomonchronicles.com/wiki/Recursive_attorney_disorder