See, this is what I was talking about. Something is so wrong with âvideogamerâ culture. I was thinking itâs kinda like this skit⌠which I loveâŚ
How do I get through to you boys that football isnât about rape?
Itâs about violently dominating anyone that stands between you and what you want.
You gotta get yourself into the mindset that you are gods, and you are entitled to this!
The other team ainât just going to just lay down and give it to you! Youâve got to go out there and take it!
⌠which brings me to violent, competitive videogames where you play as gods.
Every time someone says âmen are trashâ, a vast wave of men set forth to prove them right.
I donât think you can blame rape culture on Black and White or From Dust. Dominions, maybe.
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If I say nothing I agree.
If I say âWould you want someone to say the same thing about people like you?â Iâm âproving them right.â
Iâll settle for âNot helping.â
Are you responding to what I said?
Then no, no youâre not, unless youâre posting peopleâs personal details online and sending them death threats.
You always have to explain âpunching downâ in these scenarios, why itâs OK for those with less power to criticize those with more power, but not vice-versa. You get a chorus of âitâs not fair to say mean things about anyone!â
(and then those people say âI donât feel like I have power, therefore youâre wrong.â)
I honestly still donât feel like ⌠geez⌠easily 75% of men and white people⌠really understand any of that.
Since @tinoesroho (I think?) brought it up, how many of the 2014 top selling videogames could be described as
Itâs about violently dominating anyone that stands between you and what you want.
You gotta get yourself into the mindset that you are gods, and you are entitled to this!
The other team ainât just going to just lay down and give it to you! Youâve got to go out there and take it!
- Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
- Madden NFL 15
- Destiny
- Grand Theft Auto 5
- Minecraft
- Super Smash Bros (for 3DS and Wii U)
- NBA 2K15
- Watch Dogs
- FIFA 15
- Call of Duty Ghosts
I count 8/10 of 2014âs top selling video games meeting the quoted criteria. And honestly Smash Bros is a bit marginal in terms of being a cartoony, but pretty aggro, fighting game.
âNot helpingâ is why Men Are Trash.
Until the Not Trash Men put a stop to the Trash Men and Trash Men Culture, we are all indeed trash.
Ironically, the Smash community is probably the least toxic of all the game communities listed. We have players like SonicFox who gladly flaunt their LGBTQ identities, players like Leffen who welcome and mentor new players, and entire grassroots tournament circuits who take no shit from toxic gamers.
It isnât Gaming Culture that is toxic, but Male Culture.
Iâve written at length about how the alt-right patriarchy uses games and fandoms as recruiting grounds and as a place to enforce the alt-right patriarchy. Thereâs nothing really special about the alt-right or even new.
The high levels of harassment women face online or off donât give a shit about whether you, Jeff Atwood, blame games or comics. The real problem is capital M Men who participate in and identify with Male Culture.
Fundamentally disagree. If a man is trying hard to improve things (including gaming or others cultures of which he is a member and/or has some ability to change), then he is not âtrashâ just because he hasnât fully succeeded.
âOne day we may succeed; until then we are indeed trash.â Nope. Speak for yourself.
Edit: I am all for privileged people (e.g., white males) being aware of their privilege and taking appropriate actions. I just donât think itâs helpful, or healthy, to internalize the narrative, âI am trash. I am trash. I am trash.â
You are utterly blind if you think it isnât both.
I would argue that it is a particular âthe porridge was just rightâ intersection of these two things that cause an exponential ramp, but I never said men were not a factor. You made that up on your own.
Itâs about violently dominating anyone that stands between you and what you want.
You gotta get yourself into the mindset that you are gods, and you are entitled to this!
The other team ainât just going to just lay down and give it to you! Youâve got to go out there and take it!
As indicated, that accurately describes 8 out of 10 of the top selling video games in 2014. If you find that fact upsetting, maybe ask yourself why that is?
And even Smash isnât looking so hot, my friend
This conversation is starting to sound like an argument for censorship of video games like the comics code, PMRC, etc (yeah I know games have ratings too). I thought weâve shown over the years that a kid that reads a violent comic or plays a video game is not more likely to be violent themselves.
Thereâs a serious toxic masculinity problem in the culture right now and the gamer gate assholes that are threatening and doxxing people are horrifying. But are we really going down the road of blaming the games for that? Thereâs a ton of women (and non asshole men) who play these fighting games too.
Iâm not a gamer at all. Donât even have a system newer than an NES. But just remarking that this thread is starting to sound like a blame the art conversation weâve seen over and over through the decadesâŚ
We get it. Video games are bad. Gamers and gaming communities are toxic. You can stop sea ottering these gaming threads now.
Not All Videogames, ficus.
I mean I am not seeing people make death threats at competitive Stardew Valley tournaments.
If you think only wholesome games donât have toxic elements, donât Google âstardew valley rule 34â with SafeSearch enabled. But once again this isnât unique to video games. Movies, TV, books, music, comics, toys, and so on - even the most wholesome seeming things like MLP have incredibly dark fandoms lurking in the fringes. Itâs just how it goes - awful people are going to be awful.
Not true. To the extent that videogames skew competitive, aggro, and violent, they will act as massive amplifiers of those tendencies. Itâs like alcohol â my dad was a fine person until he drank heavily. Heck even as a light drinker he probably would have been OK.
I find it amusing that tino was all like âSmash is probably the least toxic game community out thereâ when a quick Google search reveals the Smash community is hella toxic. (Seriously, google it yourself, donât take my word for it.) If thatâs the âleastâ toxic game community then we have huge problems. But you knew that already, didnât you?
Smash is aggro, violent, competitive⌠dominate your opponent and destroy them. It is that type of game.
Whoever it was that brought up the 2014 top selling games list, you were right to the point that you have completely changed my mind on this â they are almost all in that category. We need a world of a whole lot more Minecraft and Slime Rancher and Stardew Valley and less of ⌠well, the best selling games of 2014.
Just because someone has found a way to debase something wholesome doesnât mean that it was never wholesome to begin with.
The problem is not games. The problem is capital-m Men who tie their entire self worth to ballistic penis replacements, or to their Star Wars obsession, to their ârightâ to women, or to their taste in music, or to their taste in animation, or games. Do you honestly think that the problem is games? I have news for you: men have been trash long before video games were a thing.
