Gun manufacturer sent thousands of random cartoons to Sandy Hook families in court filing

[thomdunn]

Originally published at: Gun manufacturer sent thousands of random cartoons to Sandy Hook families in court filing | Boing Boing

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[MagicFox]

Judges have to discretion to impose penalties for non-compliance with court orders. If I were the judge in this case, I’d think $10,000 per cartoon was a reasonable penalty.

[gracchus]

A scummy company in a scummy industry. I hope to see the day when it’s as declasse for a corporation to sell personal firearms as it is to sell tobacco products (it’s a forlorn hope, of course, because Murika).

[anon33932455]

So it sure sounds like Remington’s lawyers submitted 30,000+ irrelevant random documents just to hold off the process even more,

IANL . . . how is this not actionable?

[robertmckenna]

Contempt of court is a hell of a weapon, they could find the execs, or at least the principals at the law firm to be responsible.

Wasn’t there an article here a while back about a guy in jail for decades for contempt?

[Bugman]

Except they didn’t send 30k irrelevant, random documents. According to the NPR article, the plaintiff’s attorneys specifically requested a complete history of Remington’s entire social media presence, including “full access to user comments, video playback and image metadata.” I am NOT defending Remington by any means, but the plaintiff’s attorneys got outplayed on this one. They got exactly what they asked for. It’s almost like they have no idea how social media works.

[Jesse13927]

It really hinges on whether or not they also produced all of the requested information along with everything else. If they failed to submit some things that are particularly damning and instead submitted a bunch of other stuff because it technically fell within the scope of the request, that’s a problem. The lawyers for the families are accusing Remington of doing the latter.

[bluehenbear]

What have they hidden in all that cruft?

[anothernewbbaccount]

@Bugman

a complete history of Remington’s entire social media presence

Well, that’s something to train an AI on. Not sure what you’d be training it for, though…

[thadboyd]

Yeah, that’s the take I’m seeing from lawyers like Popehat: this is the result (and an extremely common one) of an overbroad request from the plaintiff. There are a hell of a lot of reasons to be outraged at Remington, but this isn’t one of them.

[Mister44]

ETA - posted after the split - deleted here, moved to there.

[DukeTrout]

@OTee

, is it realy OK to sue the manufacturer of an item here?

Definitely; happens all the time. The most common reasons are that the product was dangerously faulty; marketed for uses it was not intended for; causing harm, or for fraudulent sales practices for profit. This suit would fall under #2. Remington marketed this product as a tactical weapon meant for killing a lot of people in a short period of time. When someone took them up on that product concept, it resulted in the deaths and injury of dozens of kids.

It’s up to a jury whether the plaintiffs can prove their case, but there is certainly merit to the suit. It’s definitely not just grieving parents “trying to do something.”

@OTee

To get such a gun here for sports you have to(simplified)

1. Be member if a registered club for at least a year and do training in a regular basis with a gaun you get borrowed at a registered range. You lroove this by mai taining a 'traini g book that gets stamped and signed (can’t just shoot in the woods)
2. Afterwards your club and the nationaly registered assosiation it belongs to, have to support your need for an own gun (this has to match the disciplines you have been training, no large caliber rifle for a. 22 pistol shooter)
3. You have to take part on a (minimum) 2 day course about gun law, technicalities, balistics etc.
   afterwards you have to pass a test on this topics from a certified testing authority. (Usually you have to learn this shit for weeks beforehand, as the two days are not enough to lass the test).
4. You have to buy a gunsafe passing regulations for your desired gun.
5. You request kind of like a copy of your criminal record at ykmour townhall.
6. You give a the paperwork for all the above (including pictures of the safe actually being set up with a picture of it’s serial number matching the one on the bill, so you don’t fake the buy or return it) to your regional police department together with the actual request for the gun allowance.
7. They can do a backgroudcheck on you with the german equivalent of the FBI, national secret service.
8. Up to here it took you around 18months, elaborate invest in time, effort and money.
9. If you pass and all is processed you get the genral allowance and there is one slot for exactly that one gun type you need in there, from here on you are in a state gun registration system and every cop can see it from his car system.
10. You go to the store or webshop and buy the gun, your allowance needs to be there and the entry will be stamped and singed by the shop owner adding the guns serial. (He later also enters al tbis in the cederal registration system)
11. You go back to the regional police with the allowance, the confirm everything and only now a SEPERATE allowance to buy ammunition for THIS gun is given.
12. The state is allowed to check and without cause if you are storing and maintaining the guns correctly, so they can show up at your house and ask you to show them the safe and the guns!
13. Correctly also means “unaccessible to anybody without allowance” this is why key operated safes are basically nowhere, because if your family can get to the key they can get to the guns. Biometrics or code that only you know is the thing.
14. The allowance is ‘purpose’ based, so for a sport shooter, no carrying, no transporting loaded around. Just unloaded in a closed (better locked) container/bag from your home to a range, ammunition in a seperate bag/container.
15. You get caught violating any of these lager rules or even other misdemeanors that show you are unreliable can (and mist likely) will lead to all guns confiscated.

In the US, you have to:

1. Have a pulse.

That’s it. With the private sale loophole, anyone can get any weapon someone is willing to sell privately. Heck, they don’t even need to have the money for it if they can convince a friend or relative to buy it for them.