As far as I can tell, most people don’t support torture and police brutality, but the system does, so we’re stuck; I don’t think most people would support firing people for naked pictures, but the system enables those who do; I don’t think most people want to cover up rapes [and even murders] but the system enables officials who do…
You are still assuming that victims who claim to be hacked must be lying. Why do you find it impossible to believe these victims? Is email hacking a rare thing? Is it hard for you to imagine someone targeting a stranger just for fun? Does the fact that these women took photos of themselves make them less trustworthy?
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Sure - but what do you mean by “most people”? Who does that include? It seems whenever there is a story here of police over reach, there is a back lash on the boards here supporting the police, no matter what they do. Plus, there is the partisan aspect–it’s okay when “my guy” does it, but not the other side’s guy. See, for example, democratic support for the Obama policies that aren’t a far cry from Bush era policies.
And what do you mean by “the system”? That’s no more helpful than saying “the man” is keeping us down, frankly. The system is made up of people. People make this shit happen, one decision at a time. There was a judge in Alabama who made the decision to sentence a rapist to essentially house arrest - he made that decision as part of the system. I’d argue for “limited agency”, where there are forces that do shape how we operate, but that is facilitated by individual actions and choices designed to minimize personal pain (or to get ahead or because the person is sincere, or whatever). The system is a group of people, not a conspiracy.
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Why would any reasonable person need to make this kind of a conditional statement?
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Thank you for the encouragement, but at this point I’m turned off. I will comment, though, that while I sympathize with people in her situation, my initial sympathy for her as an individual has vanished; my guess is that she probably does far more harm than good for the discourse surrounding this topic, which is a real shame because I’m willing to believe her heart’s in the right place. Being a victim can be a terrible thing, and I do speak from firsthand experience. But letting it destroy one’s ability to see the good that exists in other people is self-defeating.
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Are you kidding me, here? You don’t know anything about me. It’s a fucking Saturday and I’m at home sick with a UTI, thank you very much. But hey, I suppose you’re allowed to spend time on the internet typing comment son blogs and it’s a-okay, but I’m not allowed to without looking like, what, I’m not doing enough?
You don’t know me, bub.
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THANK YOU. That’s exactly what I was trying to say and I’m pretty sure I was very clear about it but hey, I guess it’s easier to assume I’m just some hysterical woman with a complex.
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I was doing no such thing, but people seem to be determined to read that into my comments. I’m merely hypothesizing on a situation where someone might falsely claim that they’re being hacked. You know, Devil’s Advocate. Some people seem to be stuck on their black-and-white thinking.
Yeah, Just Asking Questions, right? No harm there!
Sometimes it’s not okay to be the “devil’s advocate”. Sometimes the “devil’s advocate” is just JAQ’ing off, instead of adding value to the conversation. Also, this isn’t some hypothetical situation. Real victims exist. I am an actual victim of this, and an actual example of gasp email “hacking” and yet you can’t seem to get off the subject.
And not just e-mail – FACEBOOK “hacking”. it happens a LOT, you do know that, right? Accounts are broken into all the time. It doesn’t take that much effort or skill.
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Ah, yes, the good ol’ “you’re wrong because I’m a victim and further you’re wrong because I’m behaving in an incredibly patronizing manner.”
EDIT: Honestly, your comment is a prime example of the very thing I was talking about: black-and-white thinking. Victims of hacking exist, therefore victims of former lovers posting their pictures claiming to be hacked do not exist. These two situations can exist, simultaneously, but the argument has blown up in response to the logical binary, black-and-white thinking so prevalent these days.
I did.
This is as good a time as any to mention this: I’ve been looking through gigs on various freelancer boards, and it’s a little shocking how often “make this person look like they don’t have any clothes on” comes up. Most of them end up being withdrawn, but…sheesh.
So yeah, marilove, and others, I most certainly can believe that there are fakes used to blackmail women.
I personally don’t care at all about such things, and my take on society at large here is that quite a lot of people don’t care, and a small but rather shrill minority of people try to make telling everyone else what to worry about their business. Ugh.
Wow. “Miss YellingPants”. Are you serious? How old are you? I am the one that can’t be taken seriously, but YOU are the one that keeps dismissing me and calling me names? When did I call you a name? Please let me know when you’re ready to join the adult world again and stop calling me, A GROWN ASS WOMAN, “Miss YellyPants” as if you’re my fuccking father.
I just copy/pasted your words, which I read very clear. You think the “REASON” is that a small minority is taking over while a large majority “doesn’t care”. That “doesn’t care” language isn’t helpful, you know, and that’s why i said hey, maybe y’all should speak the fuck up.
You are also brushing off a LARGE AND COMPLEX issue by blaming one group of people, without an inkling of evidence to back it up. You know why you do that? So you can blame someone else and remove all responsibility from yourself. Rape culture is indeed, a thing, and you are part of it, I am part of it, we are all part of it – it’s not just a “shrill minority”.
And you know what’s even more terrible? I took the time to share my direct experiences with this subject, and instead of listening to me, you brush me off and literally ATTACK me by calling me names, and insinuating that I’m just some hysterical, shrill woman who has no idea what she’s talking about. Even though I have experience situation AND am I guarantee I far more educated in the subject of rape culture than you.
But hey, you know better than me, right? I’m just a Shrill Miss YellyPants who needs to Simmer Down**.
**Seriously? Miss YellyPants? You’ve called me several names, and you’ve completely dismissed my points even though I am an actual victim here, and you told me to “simmer down”. Right.
You also clearly aligned me with your evil “shrill minority” but also calling ME shrill. An actual victim.
Aren’t you a swell guy.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, blame me. The victim. Literally blame the victim and think it’s okay, rather than actually having a discussion. You’re the one that started with the name calling immediatley and you’ve so far REFUSED to even back up your shitty initial comment, so I’m just going to continue to believe that you don’t really actually have anything to add to the discussion aside form that. If you did, you would, rather than instead spending your time attacking me, calling me childish names, brushing me off, and then literally blaming me, a victim, for “making things worse”.
I don’t think it’s I that is making the problem worse.
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What the fuck is wrong with you today, BB? Seriously, I open up about a pretty shitty situation, some guy tries to brush off a SYSTEMATIC PROBLEM as just a problem with a “shrill minority” rather than our entire culture (and that includes me, you know), I tell him why that’s incorrect, I provide links and data and points, and instead of replying to my points, he calls me childish names, and tells me that I am the problem. Conveniently he continues to be unable to reply to my points, but just blames me for that because I’m a “Miss YellyPants”. But yeah, I’m the one with the problem, even though I only left him one comment and then he immediately called me names rather than actually responding to my point. And he has defenders, too! Because clearly calling a victim names and telling her SHE is the problem is totally fine.
Really?
That’s nice.
No wonder I don’t come around here much anymore. Some Dudes seem to be the ones that get the voice, while those of us who have actually been victimized AND WHO ARE WELL RESEARCHED ON THE SUBJECT are being brushed off and called names.
Real nice.
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She didn’t make it worse as far as I can tell. You made some dumb unthought out comment and got called on it sharply. Instead of just thinking for a moment and realizing that what you said might be problematic you got defensive, which is pretty typical.
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Unfortunately this is pretty typical, but know that there are a lot of people who understand exactly what you said, agree with you 100% and do what we can to have your back.
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Right, “Devil’s Advocate.”
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The fact you could be forced to resign for something like that is revolting. Fucking hell. This was from a Gov’t job, as well?
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