That being BoingBoing, you may think that they have a consistent opinion on things, but the attitude to similar events can actually vary even for the same author.
So where is your 10" stack of evidence to back up your speculation? Sure, some of the ârevengeâ pics are real, but Charlotte has real, solid evidence that many are not.
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But youâd be glad to blame anyone whoâs had their private nudes put online. Donât be such a coward, say what you obviously mean.
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There are entire horrible forums devoted to âhackingâ tumblr/flickr/whatever imagehosts to find private nudes, so while not always the case, certainly plausible. Does it matter what percentage of persons are frightened and fibbed? Theyâre just trying to get the sites shut down, not arrest âhackersâ that donât exist or are their ex/bf. Fuck all these sites, the hack-based and the revenge-oriented.
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I think maybe because the people who run BB are human? but I donât see how this article is generally inconsistent with other articles theyâve posted?
True, works for other sites too. And by âsimilarâ I meant âsimilar to each otherâ, not âsimilar to this oneâ. Everyone knows about Coryâs love/hate relationship with Disney, for example.
Oh, I absolutely agree. I can understand if thereâs a point of legality for the purposes of a criminal or civil suit that requires a differentiation between photos that come from hacking/photoshopping vs photos that come from a former partnerâs computer, but my guess is that itâs more of a social need to underline the difference so that the victims appear to be moreâŚvictimized.
Which, if you think about it, just underscores some nasty truths about our culture: if the photos came from a former partner, who had the pics because they were willingly given by the subject in the past, then âshe was asking for it.â
I, like you, say Bullshit. No matter where the photos came from, they were meant to be private, and sharing them publicly is a violation of the subjectâs privacy, trust, and dignity. Itâs a victimization.
This doesnât just apply to nudes, or to females. There are a number of sites where jilted exes share private sexual and personally identifying information (jobs, addresses, car make/model) about their former partners. In the heat of the moment, it doesnât seem like revenge or victimization, but âwarningâ other people. But thereâs at least 2 sides to every story, and now one of those sides is an upset ex whoâs willing to spread personal information that could affect the lives and families of the target, all because someone thinks that anger, or being ârightâ, suddenly gives them The Right To Do It.
Even the information in a more private, opt-in forum can be purchased or acquired by a public site. As a bonus, those sites are often partnered, or owned by, information-removal businesses, to which the victim must pay hundreds of dollars to get their information guaranteed to be removed for a temporary period of time.
Iâd like to live in a world where not only did it not matter where the information and nude photos came from, but also that when revenge porn/information is published, that people would simply pay it no mind.
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I guess my point was that heâs human, so he gets to be inconsistent. Weâre all inconsistent. Thatâs called being human. In regards to your example, I think he can enjoy the art and culture disney produces, yet still acknowledge that they are a large corporation that acts in problematic ways.
But I really donât see how this article, and the title of it, is inconsistent with other BB articles.
This could be the coffee talking, but I imagine one day, thereâll be an online campaign where hundreds of thousands of people, especially women, will post a nude photo of themselves online and dare their employers to fire or censure them.
Iâm just trying to think of the best hashtag for thisâŚ
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Definitely, age and experience makes a difference. Heck, even just 3 years ago, I probably would have died of shame. Now, I like to think Iâd be more like, longish coffee sip âYep. Themâs ma bewbs. Can I go back to my desk now?â
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Speaking for myself, no you didnât. But donât let that get in the way of your tirade.
I think sheâs saying that it is not just a shrill minority of prudes that slut shames womenâitâs the culture in general. For that sheâs largely correct. Weâre ice queens or prudes if we donât put out or dress âprovocativelyâ, weâre sluts if we do put out or dress âprovocativelyâ. Weâre damned if we do, and damned if we donât. it is not a group of hand wringing church ladies that are keeping us from some sort of egalitarian orgiastic paradise. Itâs the very real sexism of the culture that is pervasive.
Example: Do you remember last year, a young girl was gang raped, then she was slut shamed by the NYT! She was 11 and the NYT seemed more concerned with the men who raped her - pay attention to the language this article points out-- âdrawn inâ. This 11 year old somehow drove these men to the point where they could not control themselves, it seems to imply:
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I think American prudishness may also be more of a generational thing. Kids these days share nude selfies and seem unlikely to perpetuate the whole âScarlet-Aâ stigma going forward. (And weâll be well rid of it).
If youâre so good at mindreading, how did you end up in a relationship with a stalking tweaker?
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Except that young teenaged girls who participate in such often become the victims of cyber-bullying, often to the point of suicide:
So, not so much, actually.
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Itâs the same âkidsâ who bully and slut-shame each other to suicide when they spread the nudie pics around though. Also the same generation who spread videos of their buddies raping passed-out drunk girls.
I donât think itâs just prudishness. Itâs really just good old cruelty, for no real reason.
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(Iâm not disagreeing with anything youâve said, but my desire to participate substantively in this particular discussion was voided by Miss âI can read your mindâ YellingPants. Hope to engage in another thread.)
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If $100 will purchase thousands of Facebook logins on the black market, it is easy to imagine a motivated revenge-porn site owner spending the money and time to access and troll through hundreds of Facebook accounts per day, mining for revenge-porn gold. Then, when he has exhausted the rich veins of real images, he might spend his afternoons productively honing his photoshop skills on any Facebook debutantes who seem most likely to have generous allowances or daddies willing to pay his commission. No, when revenge porn is a profitable commodity, it becomes easy to imagine a âlarge sliceâ of it being stolen or created to benefit those whose livelihood depends on it.
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Ooh, excellent point. Thank you.
Just to play devilâs advocate, though, this assumes the victim is thinking rationally about the situation. I can imagine the perception being that someone would be looked down on for the naked/sex pics, but perception being that theyâd be subjected to more ridicule if theyâd given pics over willingly. Or with teens, âMom and dad will get really mad if they think I did it on purpose.â Not everybody who lies thinks it through.
But you are right; itâs worse when someone is outed as a liar, even if they lied out of panic and/or shame.
As she pointed out, she was victimized, and it seems you are dismissing her points on that by saying itâs a few loud assholes, not a systemic problem with our culture. if that is not true, you should explain what you actually meant.
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