I didn’t. I said one side had overwhelming military force.
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I didn’t say that. I said that they are pissed off at us for undermining democracy. I didn’t say other things weren’t also happening. We are making decisions that we think most benefit us, not for the people in the region. [quote=“Mister44, post:99, topic:84625”]
The Sunni Shiite feud isn’t something one can easily fix because they are not represented equally in places like Iraq.
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I think things are deeper than just a religious split, though.
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I don’t think that. I never said that. Being religious isn’t necessarily incompatible with a form of democracy and a democracy doesn’t have to look like what we have in the west.
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Maybe this article will be more authoritative.
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Has anyone else seen the reports of parapolice forces siccing attack dogs on the Standing Rock protesters?
I read about it on Tumblr, I am still looking for a good newspaper.
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I will remind you at this time that the intervention started after Milosevic refused to sign the Rambouillet Agreement. And while he agreed to a large autonomy of Kosovo, he refused to sign because of the poison pill in Annex B of the agreement that would have given NATO unlimited access to the territory of FRY and full immunity to all the laws of the FRY.
As ex-secretary of state Henry Kissinger insisted, “the Rambouillet text, which called on Serbia to admit Nato troops throughout Yugoslavia, was a provocation, an excuse to start bombing”.
Serbia's anniversary is a timely reminder | Ian Bancroft | The Guardian
a senior State Department official had bragged that the United States “deliberately set the bar higher than the Serbs could accept.” The Serbs needed, according to the official, a little bombing to see reason.
https://www.thenation.com/article/rolling-thunder-rerun/
So, autonomy was fine, peacekeepers were fine, but someone wanted war, and they got it. Stop calling it a justified military action, it was anything but.
Sanders was upfront about why he chose to run as a Democrat from the beginning, and it’s why he’s not running as an independent now. Also, the DNC rules allow him to do so.
“What I did not want to do is run as a third party candidate, take votes away from the Democratic candidate and help elect some right-wing Republican. I did not want responsibility for that. So what I said at the beginning of the campaign is that I was not going to run as an independent. And I say it now, that if I do not win this process I will not run as an independent.”
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Okay. This will go nowhere, so I’m out.
Have a good day.
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But, for the co-chairman of the peace talks - the British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, that is nonsense - there was never any intention of Nato troops occupying Serbian territory outside Kosovo.
“Nobody seriously imagined for one minute that was going to happen, the Serb negotiators didn’t imagine that was going to happen,” he said.
"If that particular technical annexe was something that bothered them, we would have been very happy to have considered constructive amendments from them. They never even raised it.
“The reason they refused to agree to the peace package was that they were not willing to agree to the autonomy for Kosovo, or for that autonomy to be guaranteed by an international military presence at all.”
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Democracy Now is on it:
I don’t know about any other news organizations so far.
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Yes, this isn’t going to be something one hears about on the nightly news, at least not while it’s happening. It will get mentioned long after it’s over as a shame, but one that no one is responsible for…
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ap has this:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OIL_PIPELINE_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) – A protest of a four-state, $3.8 billion oil pipeline turned violent after tribal officials say construction crews destroyed American Indian burial and cultural sites on private land in southern North Dakota.
Morton County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Donnell Preskey said four private security guards and two guard dogs were injured after several hundred protesters confronted construction crews Saturday afternoon at the site just outside the Standing Rock Sioux reservation. One of the security officers was taken to a Bismarck hospital for undisclosed injuries. The two guard dogs were taken to a Bismarck veterinary clinic, Preskey said.
and of course, every newspaper prints the ap, and their establishment cliches.
Those poor poor dogs…
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No mention of the protesters’ injuries, huh? Nice.
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@Kimmo, regarding your distaste for weasel words regarding mass slaughter, I think you’ll enjoy this review, which talks about our general shift in the use of language, or the rise of “authenticism” as a political tactic:
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The ‘advantage’ that former FSB-spy and former member of the KGB Alexander Litvinenko had was that he was killed in Great Britain. There are a number of American journalists (who were never government spies) whose deaths in the USA were suspected of being US-government driven and not properly investigated by authorities. Physician, heal thyself.
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Attribution of the DNC email hack (in fact, any hack) is very difficult.
/sarcasm=on Of course, it’s much more important to focus our attention on this next-to-impossible-to-attribute, er, attribution, than discuss the revelations of the hack, eh. /sarcasm=off -
" having the gall to be opposed to interference in our election by a foreign power"
That’s rich!
Perhaps, instead of wasting your gall on low-level interference by Russia, a country that American citizens can have little effect on, you could decry all of the ‘interference’ that the USA - a country that American citizens, at least in theory, can have some effect on - has done to other countries, using means much more deadly than simply publishing email messages and spreadsheets.
For every word in the above sentence, I was going to provide a different link to particularly deadly ‘interferences’ by the CIA and the US military in other people’s elections…but I trust that the audience here knows how to google a phrase like “US overthrow of governments”.
If that’s too difficult, you’all can start here and here.
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Yes and no. Historically people have homogenized under one culture and language, but these tend to be smaller groups or states". Depending on the region they can be fairly large or fairly small. Where things start to get tricky is when you try to unite those small groups in to a larger one - such as a “country”.
Look at Europe as an example, for centuries is was various groups (Germanic, Anglo Saxons, Celts, Goths, etc) who would war with each other, but also occasionally unite towards a common foe. Some were brought together with various empires who took over, and then fell apart with the various collapses.
This cultural identity STILL has relevance today in some parts. My ex-MiL is an example. She is 100% Polish through and through, but she was technically born in Belarus. But no matter what her passport or birth certificate says she is a Pole.
Same with the ME, as it seems many people don’t have a lot of vested interest in loyalty based on modern country lines, but with their cultural lines. That was the #1 thing we didn’t understand going in. Well, some people understood it, the people in charge didn’t listen. It was probably what lead to the optimistic thoughts on both sides that getting rid of Saddam would help things.
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If you’re implying with that Orange Is The New Black photo that I was talking down to you / mansplaining to you, I didn’t even look at your avatar/ username, so maybe hold off on the chip in your shoulder? I just replied to you because you replied to me. I was responding to the content of your post and, yeah, I think we need to be collectively reminded what a complicated relationship we have with Russia. This is something former-CIA analyst Nada Bakos talks about frequently wrt Russia. We wouldn’t have astronauts in space right now if it weren’t for Russia - we literally don’t have space vehicles that can reach the ISS. But at the same time Russian-crewed Buk missile launchers most likely shot Malaysian Air flight 17 out of the sky with no accountability, so I’m allowed to be wary of them without wanting war.
Given that the tools and one private key were used against Germany in a previous attack identified as perpetrated by GRU, along with a sea of other details from the use of Cyrillic, time zones in file metadata, original metadata containing the Felix Dzerzhinsky username, the immediate cleanup of metadata once analysis pointed out the Russian source, to the attackers taking a break on a Russian holiday, along with a long string of other damning details, every single sign points to two attackers - GRU and FSB. If this weren’t a case where there was a political motivation by partisans to deny the evidence, nobody would be questioning a conclusion build on the evidence since it’s as close to a slam dunk as is possible.
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You mean the Bundestag hack of 2015? afaik the attribution was to Russia was described as “likely” and “plausible”, if you have better sources I would be very interested in links. The investigation of the Federal Prosecutor General is against unknown and I am not aware of newer publicly available results since January 2016.
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Yes I mean the Bundeststag hack, which has all the signs of being executed by GRU.
There was an update in March on the attack with the BfV accusing Russia, and every bit of analysis that has been made public I’ve seen is highly damning.
The software used in the Bundeststag attack has the same command/control IP and keys as the Russian attack on the DNC, so if anything the DNC attack, which has numerous other sources of evidence to point to Russia, further confirms the GRU was involved in the Bundeststag attack, though there already was minimal doubt.
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