Your illustration is lovely, but it has nothing to do with my problem of people driving in the bike lane a block before the intersection. They could choose to stay in the traffic lane and cross over to the right turn lane where the right turn lane exists, but they instead choose to pretend that the bike lane is the right turn lane.
Thatās not necessarily illegal, depending on what state you are in. In Oregon drivers are required to stay out of the bike lane until the corner where they are making a right turn, but still yield to any bicyclists in the lane behind them. In California and most other states a driver is actually required to move into the bike lane or close to the curb 100 feet before turning right, after signaling and yielding to any bike traffic in the lane. In this case the bike lane can be thought of as a narrow right turn lane from the driverās perspective. Hereās a visualization about how this is supposed to work: http://www.sfbike.org/news/bike-lanes-and-right-turns/
So actually in most cases the drivers NOT in the bike lane before turning are the ones breaking the law.
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You are right that a driver can not go a whole block in the bike lane, though, or block the bike lane when an actual right turn lane is provided.
In Tucson, we have bike lanes and right turn lanes on major streets. There is a dashed portion of the bike lane where the driver is supposed to make the cut across it to get to the right turn lane. We get people stopping their cars in the bike lane half a block before the dashed part.
I am ALL AGAINST taxing individuals proportional to their actual costs. The point I was making is that before we give the cycling lobby any more investment in their capital projects we should require them to be responsible - get licensed, get their bike registered (thus the tax) and safety inspected - no fixies without brakes, and make enforcement a priority for the transit police.
I donāt commute to work by any means. I work from home as a data analyst, and drive my car about twice a week only to stores that donāt deliver.
Will somebody come, for change, with an idea that would reduce the number of paperwork one has to do?
What about tax and registration stamp for shoes? Wouldnāt it be good for making the pedestrian lobby responsible, and get the sidewalks paid for? And what about pedestrian licences, too, wouldnāt it make the streets safer?
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Well youāre gonna wanna buy āem in bulk, considering how many bikes will fit in a parking space.
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We donāt need them in Oxford.
About the closest equivalent is a form filled in by the police for a stolen bike, and a lack of sympathy for anyone stupid enough to not lock their bike up in one of the many bicycle racks, or a lamppost/signpost if all else fails (remember to secure both wheels).
To be fair, bike locks are not a guarantee that your bike wonāt be stolen here, but if you donāt leave your bike outside and unattended for hours at a time it will reduce the chance of it happening.
Thanks so much for the straw man! Heās beautiful. Iāll just put him over here, heāll make a great decoration for Halloween.
Why does properly registering your vehicle and having it inspected for safety (and smog, in the case of a car) offend so many people? As far as I have seen I donāt do any paperwork at all to register my car every two years. I take it for the 15 minute smog check, write a check, and they hand me a sticker to show that I paid my tax and am properly registered as the owner of the car for two more years. Whatās the big deal? Iām doing my civic duty at a minimal cost to myself.
We could easily set up your local bike shop to do the very quick safety inspection. The initial licenses could be issued as part of massive safety and licensing events in major parks (we already have maintenance events where cyclists are fed a free breakfast, just roll the licensing into that). What I donāt think is reasonable is expecting taxpayers and drivers to shoulder the cost of making the streets especially welcoming to cyclists without some commitment from the cyclists to safety and responsibility.
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Maybe for a similar reason why the DMV is in the US a symbol of oppressive bureaucracy? Maybe some people are fed up with the permit-for-this licence-for-that hamster wheel? Where will it end?
Cars yesterday (well, okay, it is a ton or two of steel at high speed, I can understand that), bikes today, what tomorrow? Will you need a āŠ±ŃŠ¼Š°Š¶ŠŗŠ°ā to use the Net too? And licensed computers with permitted power consumption limits and running only approved āsafeā software?
Shouldnāt we have a zero-growth system for permits? That for every new one permit/license some old one has to be scrapped?
If cyclists, why not pedestrians too?
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Donāt those come with a small donation to Whiners Anonymous?
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This isnāt a thread about that
This isnāt a thread about that
This IS a thread about that.
I meant for the lapels of people who decide where other peoples lines OUGHT TO BE. It was a metaphor. It was a dig. At you.
Sorry, I didnāt realize I was dealing with a libertarian. Youāve given an excellent example of combining a straw man with the slippery slope. Iām discussing licensing cyclists and registering their bicycles (something that would also be in their interest by the way). Thanks for pointing out that other things might also be registered, but arenāt currently.
All Iāve suggested is that cyclists integrate into the same system that automobile drivers use, at least where I live, where cycling is very popular and widespread. I think thatās a pretty reasonable suggestion.
That sounds like a remarkably self-centered, bordering on antisocial, POV, that anyone in your way is an object and an obstacle, not a person with a competing priority to whom you might owe a yield, under the rules we all agreed to.
You are equally in -their- way. A car actively turning in a bike lane has the same right you do to be there. More if theyāre in front of you already. A parked car has no right to be there.
I appreciate your devils advocacy, but even the devil is no fool.
He probably didn;t realize he was dealing with a slippery weasel,.
He answered your question. I see your response as a strictly semantic and content free refusal to acknowledge a rather well made point.
And your name calling is just gravy on the trolley cake youāre serving. Shape up.
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Iām a bit surprised this seems to be uncommon knowledge. This bit here from the SFBike article:
Thatās why bike lanes are dashed when approaching an intersection. Dashed lanes tells drivers they can merge before turning right.
ā¦is something Iāve known as long as Iāve been a licensed motorist. Must have come up in Driverās Ed, way back in 1986 (for me).
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Thatās what I am afraid of. If thereās one thing that I hate, itās paperwork. (And closed-source systems I donāt have documentation for, but thatās a different issue.) We have enough of bureaucracy already.
Where I live, being a pedestrian is fairly popular. You see lots of them on dedicated lanes along the roads. They even have dedicated crossings and traffic lights. They should be made actually responsible and pay for the pavement and the integration into the same system that automobile drivers use. Letās register shoes. And mandate safety inspection; a wrong slip-prone sole in winter can lead to injuries. Itās for the pedestriansā own good. Isnāt it a reasonable suggestion too?
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I realize that you are trying to be fairā¦ hereās an illustration of the case in point so that you may evaluate it more reasonably.
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I agree, for five bucks one can get a nice fat permanent marker (or erasable depending of ones level of pissedoffness) that leaves a big message for way less than 25 cents a pop. Quicker too.
Personally I wouldnāt stick or mark an offenders vehicle, now that I grew up, but if my car got righteously stickered, I would not remove the mark, and wallow in my shame.
