John Oliver on Internet misogyny


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University of Texas students protesting open carry gun law with open carry dildo protest
#2

“…congratulations on your white penis” is one for the ages


#3

“Adjusting for gender, we find that a penis confers privilege for men, but significant disprivilege for non-binary people and women…”


#4

Anyone got a link that works for the rest of the world?

(guys. being able to see an appreciate your good stuff the the ONLY thing that’ll ever make me badger my local broadcaster into giving you money to air your show.)


#5

And at least give us the video title, so that we can re-search it.


#6

I’m not really sure that all the problems he brings up in that bit are really misogyny - the terribly clueless and apathetic attitudes of police and politicians to internet threats and bullying are going to be treated the same, and hit you as hard, regardless of gender.

Misogyny is definitely going to cause women to be on the receiving end of this sort of shit more often, but I don’t think you can really call the problems of revenge porn / internet threats / etc. themselves misogynistic when they’ll cause just as much harm, and be laughed off by the authorities just as callously, when they happen to men.


#7

Does YouTube block the entire page if the video is country-locked? For some reason I thought it would just not show the video but let you read all the associated information.


#8

Misogyny is definitely going to cause women to be on the receiving end of this sort of shit more often, but I don’t think you can really call the problems of revenge porn / internet threats / etc. themselves misogynistic

Wait, what? You cannot have it both way. Its not Shrodinger’s Misogyny.


#9

Actually, to answer my own question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdKUfSLA3Sk


#10

Here we go.


#11

Please, let me help you see something friend: This is a basic breakdown of your post. I think it’s important to delink some things you linked together, for clarity. Please let me know if I have any of these basic tenets of your post incorrect:

You are not sure that oliver is talking solely about misogyny.
Bullying is going to be treated the same if you are a man or a woman
Internet threats are going to be treated the same if you are a man or a woman.
Politicians are terribly clueless and apathetic to internet threats
The police are terribly clueless and apathetic to internet threats
Women will (in future?) be targeted more frequently for internet threats and revenge porn
Being a target of internet threats and revenge porn could happen to a man
Being targeted more frequently on average is not misogyny
The authorities would laugh callously at a man for it
Therefore, it follows that they would laugh at a woman for it.

Dude.

You’re a misogynist. One bro to another. You need to think about this before you respond. I’m not being a jerk here. I used to think a lot like you did. It reaaaaaaly dismissed the experiences of others and comes across as invalidating.

You do have the right to say. Ask why you have the need to pee in the cornflakes when you hear someone saying they are hurt by internet misogyny.

I could be wrong. Can you?


#12

It’s schrödingers empathy. :wink:


#13

I get really freaked out by the lack of empathy so many people display! It always shocks and amazes me! Every time! Like, do they dismiss people with disabilities when they complain about how hard it is to navigate public transit? “Well, I’ve never had a problem so…” - like jeez louise… get outside your own head!


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[quote=“Missy_Pants, post:8, topic:60178, full:true”]

Misogyny is definitely going to cause women to be on the receiving end of this sort of shit more often, but I don’t think you can really call the problems of revenge porn / internet threats / etc. themselves misogynistic

Wait, what? You cannot have it both way. Its not Shrodinger’s Misogyny.
[/quote]It’s not “having it both ways”, it’s just an application of logic. The ignorance and apathy of the system that is making this possible is not misogyny. Misogynists are using it, and that’s a serious problem, but calling the system misogynist in this case is going to distract from the real issue and undermine things.

Internet threats and bullying are serious problems and need to be addressed.
Misogyny is a serious problem and needs to be addressed.

I’m not saying women don’t get bullied or threatened on the internet more often, or less harshly. I’m just saying that “internet bullying” and “internet threats” are uncaring tools and confusing them with misogyny is going to muddle the issue and weaken the arguments that can be used to fight both.

[quote=“AcerPlatanoides”]This is a basic breakdown of your post.
[…]
Women will (in future?) be targeted more frequently for internet threats and revenge porn
Being targeted more frequently on average is not misogyny
[/quote]Not right on my thoughts on these two: Women are definitely being targeted more already, and targeting women more often is pretty much the definition of misogyny.

[quote=“AcerPlatanoides”]You’re a misogynist. One bro to another. You need to think about this before you respond. I’m not being a jerk here. I used to think a lot like you did. It reaaaaaaly dismissed the experiences of others and comes across as invalidating.[/quote]I’m not a misogynist, and in fact have an extremely high level of empathy for all people. I am not in any way dismissing the experiences of others - I find everything about every situation in the report to be repugnant right down to the core. I fully acknowledge that this is going to affect women far, far more often than men.

My comment on it is that this should be dealt with not because of who it happens to, but because of what it is. It’s evil and it’s wrong and it happens not because of a system that was created to oppress women, but because those who should be stopping it are ignorant and/or uncaring. I feel that adding the misogyny label to this problem is going to confuse the underlying issue, and doing so will hinder the fight against it. Separating the two issues into the motive (misogyny) and the tool (bullying/threats/terror) will allow us to more properly formulate ways to fight each.


#16

It’s funny. When I hear the ‘bro talk’ at my workplace (#1 topic ‘tits’), I feel like I’m an all out, lonely feminist. Then, when I hear punch lines like this silly cock shaming thing here, or recently that old-ish Nobel prize guy getting quasi-fired for missing this decades’ update on what’s socially acceptable in academia, or this condescending bullshit:

then I feel alienated and like I have nothing in common especially with the strange breed of men competing to be the ultimate feminist on the internet. Maybe it does need a war on men to end the war on women, who knows. I just feel like collateral damage already.


#17

Quick question - what year, exactly, do you think it became inappropriate to tell women as a whole that they’re too emotional to do good work? Like, roundabouts? Also what year do you think it became inappropriate to go to a lunch and insult the host?

Mind you, the cock comments are completely inappropriate because they totally fail to recognize that trans women have things even worse, but something tells me you didn’t mean it that way, because of your focus on “war on men”.


#18

Perhaps, but you’ve got the stereotypical internet slactivist condescension down to a T. One bro to another, you need to ask yourself, do I want to reach people and fix problems, or do I want to win internet points by ineptly dressing down those who haven’t done anything wrong?


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[quote=“dragonchild12, post:17, topic:60178”]
Quick question - what year, exactly, do you think it became inappropriate to tell women as a whole that they’re too emotional to do good work? Like, roundabouts?[/quote]

That would be roundabouts 1950, I guess, but that’s not what he said, is it? My god, look at him, he’s a socially inept bookworm with social views probably untouched by this, if not the last century. He should have been given a few weeks to rethink his remarks and apologize. If that’s how we go about this, I’m sure there’s more nerds we can get fired.

Also what year do you think it became inappropriate to go to a lunch and insult the host?

don’t get it.

Mind you, the cock comments are completely inappropriate because they totally fail to recognize that trans women have things even worse

don’t get it at all

but something tells me you didn’t mean it that way, because of your focus on “war on men”.

I guess that’s a term commonly used by people I don’t really want to associate with. I believe that a “men’s rights” activist is a truly sad creature, but a male feminist does not leave me without suspicion, either. That said, I know sexists, and have, by comparison, always been quite certain that I’m not one. However, standards have changed, and I’m just not willing to jump every hoop just to prove myself.

Also,


#20

2015 is the 1950 of 2080. I’m hoping to stay ahead of the times. Hoops must be jumped through.