Yes, like the Pentagon Papers were kept hidden for years by the NYT. Except they weren’t. That shouldn’t interfere with how cute you look in a tinfoil hat, but it does puncture your argument just a skotch.
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Good luck squaring that with Belarus.
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The evidence for the claim is the evidence of existence.
Also, I was speaking specifically in counter to those who call Wikileaks “a news Organization,” which is like calling someone vomiting up last night’s dinner a chef.
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Cool.
So I’m sure you won’t mind if my evidence for calling your claims false is “the evidence of existence”, whatever that is?
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Like the Concord Management and Consulting LLC trial:
Assistant U.S. Attorney Jonathan Kravis said in court that 4 million documents have been handed over to Dubelier, 3.2 million of them identified as “sensitive.”
Mueller's Russian-Trolls Case Could Expose U.S. Secrets to the World | Fortune
They want a closed trial with a guilty verdict of “Conspiracy Against the USA”. Imagine the US media coverage if it was Russia or China doing this sort of crap to Americans.
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Well, let me re-try:
The New York Times, while getting it wrong, on occasion, gets it right more often than not because their success depends upon it and their not being sued into atoms for libel. Wikileaks is a coundut, a pipeline, a vomiting maw with no judgement other than being open for business with a sluiceway.
I’m saying that the NYT gets it right more often than wrong, and for Wikileaks, there’s no right or wrong, just publish, publish, publish. So I’m saying that, in terms of where I will get my information, I will go with a building full of experienced professionals and a hundred-year tradition of trying to get it right more often than not over some dude with an FTP server and an axe to grind.
Good day, sir.
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You must have more of the story than I do. What I saw back when it happened was a bit shady.
Well, he’s no Chelsea Manning. Civil disobedience means you take responsibility for choosing to break the law.
Also - Chelsea hasn’t been charged with sexually assaulting two women. Thomas Moore either.
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You don’t believe that publishing emails that showed that the DNC rigged the primaries was of value to the public?
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That’s a nice ideal, but on one single series of stories , it falls apart.
Judith Miller’s stenography about why we just HAD to invade Iraq. Even quoted by the VP on news shows as part of the justification for said war. Lots of words - well, lets call them lots of lies - to further that cause.
Which cost hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions in money and a completely destabilized ME. The NYT times has some finite part of the blame for that. Even if it’s one thousanths of one percent, that’s still tens or hundreds of dead bodies thanks to their “journalistic integrity”.
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Rape is hard to defend against in sweden and there is no need to bloody the victims. I will wait and see what happens next to make up my mind.
Yeah, I remember Judith Miller lobbing artillery shells, Tom Krugman fixing his bayonet, Maureen Dowd raining down death from above and Arthur “Punch” Sulzberger controlling it all. A.O. Scott was in charge of morale for the 45th Division, The Fightin’ Typists.
The blame for the Iraq war lies at the feet of Colin Powell and George H. W. Bush; no one else, and saying so is ludicrous. And I know absolutist claims of responsibility are a natural response to tragedy, but they’re a little bit of a stretch.
Was the 2nd Iraq war a criminal act? Yes. BUT The Times can’t be blamed for it.
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What a weird choice of comparison there; a probable sexual predator and known entitled douchewad with a guy who was sainted.
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Remember when Trump kept saying what a great guy Assange was and how much he “loved” WikiLeaks, quoting it in speeches and tweets every single day in 2016?
It shouldn’t be shocking that today Trump said “I know nothing about WikiLeaks.”
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Thomas “Moore” (sic) paid with his life for opposing the king. His head was put on a pike for a month as a warning to others.
There is a decent chance the same fate will befall Assange in the future (minus the head-on-a-pike and maybe just torture + life imprisonment)
A large part of this whole affair is actually just for sending a warning to other wannbe whistleblowers.
He wasn’t sainted for a long, long time.
A similar thing happened more recently when, thanks in part to the endorsement of the NYT and other organizations, Iraq and the ME was thrown into chaos and hundreds of thousands died. Their response a few years later?
“My bad!”
It only took a few years! Too bad all those dead brown people stayed dead.
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James Risen says NYT routinely suppressed news under USG pressure.
Just patriotic wartime journalism, I guess. Altho, all the time is wartime nowadays.
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And to men who sexually assault women one supposes? Because that would be awesome!
If he hadn’t skipped bail - he might already have completed that sentence - and much less likely to face extradition to the US.
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So you’re saying that if the NYT had reported correctly that it was a bunch of lies - and what’s more plastered that they were lies on Page One day after day like they did with Judith Millers’ fabrications - that we would’ve invaded exactly the same? That there wouldn’t have been more opposition?
Now that’s what I call “evidence of existance”!
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Stop, you’re being too logical.
His flaws don’t matter; only his virtues do. /s
Regardless, you still made the dubious comparison.
The rest of your comment is off topic.
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