Havenât got a lot. I donât need a lot. Javaâs only a dime.
Dodged a bullet there.
Oracle will appeal and if they are allowed to present the evidence that they were not allowed to present at this trial, they may very well win on appeal. This isnât over by a long shot.
Itâs a shame Congress is so useless that thereâs no way they could ever conceive of a law to prevent the kind of stupidity that allows API copyrights. Itâs insane to even imagine someone would claim copyright to the content of the outline of a specification.
Thanks Cory for a much better explanation of the case than all the other articles Iâve read.
WOW!!!
Ignore these additional words.
Indeed, itâs pbly not overâŚbut donât get sucked into accepting Florianâs pro-Oracle blarney as a reasonable guide to, or predictor of, how that appeal will play out. (For instanceâŚcheck out his employment/consulting historyâŚ)
Anyway, this is great news. If I was the shouting type, Iâd be shouting, "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!
Immediately thought of this:
I donât see Java surviving. Nobody without Googleâs deep pockets is going to risk the expense of another blast of stupid from Larry Ellison.
âBlast of stupidityâ is a good way to put it, it does make one wary. The funny thing is they are looking for a legal win and probably unsettling all the tech workers in the field that make decisions. I wonder what the blowback from this blast of stupidity will cost them.
Fine by me. I spent a good few years working with it myself, but in my opinion Java is a fossil that belongs in a museum.
Java 8 has some nice things and in general the language and ecosystems have improved, though itâs still painful at times. I hop between Java (mostly 1.6, sigh), Ruby, JS, and C (and bits of Perl/sh/Python/etc) for the job. They all have pain points, though I always feel saddest when I launch Eclipse, and most paranoid when Iâm dealing with C.
This is another step forward in the evolution of Java. Weâre very excited to be able to offer developers the opportunity to easily display lines of textâŚ
- Jon Kannegaard, Javasoft VP of software products, May 27, 1997, (approximately a year after Javaâs release)
Ha, you know whatâd be funny? If IBM or ANSI or whoever decided to sue Oracle for implementing SQL in their RDBMS products. Thatâs basically an API, right?
Yes, I know they canât and wouldnât, but itâs not an entirely invalid analogyâŚ
."âŚsystem or method of operation not restricted by copyright."
I do so hate it when people try to pervert copyright into a cheap, easy, long lasting patent. Patent protection is more difficult to get because the protection it gives a creator is more broad.
If Oracle actually gets what they want, weâll be lucky to have the damage confined only to Java.
Were this just a tiff betweeen Oracle and Google over some garden variety copyright infringement, it really wouldnât matter very much. Google can afford the hit; and if Oracle really was ripped off(rather than just having their J2ME licensing market dry up because of the iPhone Discontinuity effectively annihilating all dumbphone OSes that used either J2ME or BREW for such limited âappsâ as they offered) the mere fact that the company is a raging asshole donât change the fact that theyâd be entitled to redress.
The contention in this case, though, is that you essentially canât implement API compatibility without committing copyright infringement; and if that holds, all sorts of things are in for a world of pain, since software development has been going on for some decades on essentially the opposite premise, so virtually everything of note has lots of âinfringementâ built into it by now.
I think you mean âdesktop Javaâ. The main use of Java is in enterprise servers. I would far rather write and debug Java on a server than C++.
If you look at the way COBOL clings on to life, and look at Java penetration in the web server market, Java is likely to be around for many, many years. Even if it is the IBM implementation.
