Larry Lessig considers running for the Democratic presidential nomination

It doesn’t work like that.

On the (admittedly) remote chance that he were to be elected, when he resigned, the Vice President who was elected on his ticket would step straight into the job.

And he doesn’t have to win to accomplish the goal. If you watch the video, he cites the 1968 presidential campaign of Gene McCarthy, which - even though he was never elected - garnered so much support that LBJ withdrew his own candidacy.

As Lessig says in the video [quote] The thing {the war in Vietnam} that nobody wanted to talk about became the thing that nobody could ignore.[/quote]

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If he can get Elizabeth Warren as his running mate, then I’m on board. Otherwise, I’d rather stick with Sanders.

OTOH, if he wants to run for the Republican nomination…

Ah, I knew that and didn’t think.

Lessig has an unshakeable faith that our fundamentally broken political system can be used to reform our political system, even after his own reform efforts have repeatedly failed. At first his strategy just seemed kind of naive, but it’s getting hard not to see it as either wilfully in bad faith or just plain dumb.

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[quote=“caryroys, post:14, topic:63473, full:true”]
Help me out here. I mean, seriously, I wasn’t born when Carter was elected, but my right-leaning gun toting libertarian father always gave him respect as a moral president, whose good intentions were gutted by congress.

Obviously, I wasn’t alive. What’s the story?[/quote]
I was alive back then, and he was the first presidential candidate I ever voted for.

In my view, he was destroyed by three things: 1) his inability to control inflation (which, at the time, was running >15% annually, with no corresponding increases in wages); 2) his lack of experience in foreign policy (which not exclusively includes his bungled attempt to rescue the Iranian hostages); 3) his inability to manage the (manufactured) oil shortages. His was also a poor public speaker. Add to that his blatant failures to do any of the things he promised while campaigning. (Fun fact: did you know that Carter promised to end marijuana prohibition during his first term? That worked out well.) All those things, coupled with a very charismatic eventual replacement (Reagan) did him in after one term.

Much like Bush the Elder, he looked good on paper, but failed in the office. And he had supermajorities in both the House and Senate, for all the good it did him.

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I don’t recall the bit where Carter operated the helicopters by remote control. It was the Armed Forces’ bungled attempt to resuce the hostages.
The difference is that Carter got blamed for what was a small foulup by the military, as if it was a major disaster, whereas Bush somehow failed to get blamed for a succession of foulups by just about every 3 letter agency and the armed forces in Afghanistan and Iraq, despite the close involvement of his family with both the bin Ladens and the Saudi government. And that is the power of the media.
Carter was destroyed by the right wing media, oil interests and world economic conditions. As the British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan replied when asked what were the biggest problems for governments, “Events, dear boy, events.”

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In the words of Harry Truman… “the buck stops here.” You’re the head guy, you’re responsible. That’s part of being president.

At the time, I was forward-deployed somewhere overseas and I remember seeing (I think) a Time magazine cover with a photo of crashed helicopters and burned American soldiers. That as much as anything, doomed him to a single term.

No, that’s part of primitive societies with sacred kings who got executed if the harvest failed because the gods were displeased. We really need to modernise our political structures past the Maya or the neolithic era.

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Don’t forget a serious case of Americans just coming off watergate, Cointelpro, and the Ramparts revelations about the CIA… He had the bad luck of being elected when the US populace (not just conservatives, but many Americans) began to not trust their government for pretty good reasons…

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Okay. Good luck with that. I see part of the president’s job is being the whipping boy for the failures of his underlings. Do we blame Harold Brown (Carter’s SecDef, supposedly closely involved in the debacle?) Some nameless special ops boss who chose helicopter pilots who weren’t experienced in close-quarters night flying? The inexperienced pilot who died anyway? Human nature says that we need someone to blame for our failures, and praise for our successes. For me, in this case, Carter had to take the weight, it was his decision to go for it.

Nope…

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Transcript of the speech:


In 1967 Democractic Senator Eugene McCarthy entered the Primary here in New Hampshire, to challenge his own party’s sitting President, because he feared the most important moral issue of the time, the Vietnam War, was going to be invisible in that election.

In four months, McCarthy went from almost nothing in the polls to almost beating Lyndon Johnson in the Primary. And the one issue that no one wanted to talk about became the one issue that no one could ignore.

At the core of our democracy there is a basic inequality.

Not the inequality of wealth – though that is a problem – or the inequality of speech – though some think that a problem too. But the inequality of citizens.

Jefferson’s truth that all are created equal has become Orwell’s meme that some are more equal than others.

And with this change, the core commitment of a representative democracy has been lost.

This inequality shows itself in a thousand ways.

It’s why we must even say “Black lives matter.”

It’s why Congress bends over backwards to benefit those who fund their campaigns.

It’s why a huge proportion of us don’t waste our time voting.

It’s why “The System”, as Elizabeth Warren puts it, “is rigged.”

Rigged to block reforms that most Americans would benefit from.

Rigged to help the very few: those with the money to fund the politicians’ campaigns.

We need to challenge this rigged system, like McCarthy challenged the war.

We need to make fixing it the first priorty of the next President and next Congress.

Because until it is fixed, no sensible reform is even possible.

Yet though every major candidate in the Democratic primary for President has acknowledged this corruption, so far every one of them just puts it to one side.

As if without fixing the rigged system first, we could get climate change legislation or sane limits on guns.

As if without changing the ways campaigns are funded first, we could reform Wall Street, or take on the insurance companies.

As if this corruption were just a detail, something to be solved, quote, In the long run, unquote.

As if fixing democracy by achieving equality were something that could just wait.

It can’t wait. This must end now.

We need a campaign that’s more than yet another partisan squabble.

We need a campaign for a Referendum.

A Referendum that speaks our mandate clearly.

End this inequality and corruption.

Give us a government free from the money.

Give a Congress free to lead.

So here’s the idea we’re gonna test: a Referendum President.

A candidate who runs for President, making a single promise: that if elected, he would serve as long as it takes, but only as long as it takes, to pass fundamental reform to finally achieve citizen equality.

Once that reform is passed, this President would step down, and the elected Vice-President would become President to fill out his term.

The candidate is the Referendum. The campaign is for that Referendum.

So I am asking you to help me crowdfund a campaign for a Referendum President, so we can give the next extraordinary President, whether Hillary or Bernie or Joe or someone else, a Congress that can represent us, and a Congress that is free to lead.

And if we hit our funding target, and the leading candidates in the Democratic Primary do not commit to making this fundamental reform the first priority of their administration, then I will enter the race as a Referendum candidate.

I would tie every issue in the campaign, from climate change to student debt, to this fundamental corruption. I would make citizen equality central to this election. And if this Referendum won, its mandate would be as powerful as any that’s possible within our political system. This would be the clearest peaceful rally for equal democracy in our lifetime.

This won’t be easy, I get it. And no doubt there should be someone better than me. I have tried to recruit them, and if someone better known credibly commits to making this run I would happily step aside. This campaign is not about a person, it’s about a principle, an American principle that we must reclaim: that all are created equal, and democracy must respect us all as equals.

Please give whatever you can, and more importantly, please share this as broadly as you can. Because with the Net, we can change this election, and if we do, we will change every election that comes afterwards as well.

This is our shot to make democracy possible. We need to take it now.

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I think thats the key point right there, Lessig fails at everything he tries. Shame really because he seems smart and appears to have good interests at heart. The thing is that he seems to suck at persuading those who are not already convinced.

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A curious thing about Lessig is that he’s friendly with the politicians who benefit from the system he criticizes. He’s quite open about this; in his books and articles, he talks about having conversations with members of Congress over lunch.

A common pattern is for liberals to talk at length about a serious problem, and then briefly about their very moderate plans for starting to address those problems. Lessig takes a somewhat different approach: he proposes exceptional methods to fix problems, methods that would only work if everyone is honest and plays by the rules, including the powerful elites whose power he’s proposing to take away. At which point I wonder what world he thinks he’s living on.

He reminds me of Charles Fourier, who advertised in newspapers that he would wait in a coffeehouse to discuss the financing of his utopian socialist plans with any rich person who might care to come by.

So unlike Robert Owen, who got off his backside and built his own Utopia:

Robert Owen article

We need more Owens.

Holy crap, really? I did not know that. Citation?

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Holy crap, really? I did not know that. Citation?[/quote]

1976 - Former Georgia Gov. Jimmy Carter calls for the federal decriminalization of marijuana during his presidential campaign (Sorry, I cannot find a direct source for this; finding the text of 40-year-old campaign speeches is beyond my Google abilities.)

Early in his presidency: Carter chose Dr. Peter Bourne as his special assistant for health issues and instructed him to come up with a plan for reorganizing drug policy. Borne… argued in March 1977 in favor of decriminalizing marijuana. Five months later President Carter asked Congress for legislation to eliminate federal penalties for possession of up to one ounce of marijuana.

Speech to Congress after he was already president: Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marijuana.

But as recently as 2013, he’s gone on record as changing his mind: “I do not favor legalization. We must do everything we can to discourage marijuana use, as we do now with tobacco and excessive drinking,”

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Less good Jimmy Carter news:

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I saw that. Very sad news, indeed.

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