OK - I split this off because it really goads me into a response. Which I assume you wanted for bringing up a pedantic point off a post where @nimelennar was just trying to give an example off the top of their head. But not wanting to derail a thread, I made my own. I’m almost never the one who does the first brake tap, but seem to be the one blamed for the pile up. Not this time! Look ma, I’m learning.
Anyway - just arguing your point:
I never ignored the statistics, nor said that they didn’t matter. The implication, suggestion, and rhetoric from many people (maybe not you specifically, but in general this is why people bring this up) is that the only or main reason the US and Europe has such a difference in murder rate and violent crime is its weapon laws.
My main point in response to that is that it is a mix of other things for the reasons of our much higher violent crime and murder rate. Mainly the #1 factor of violent crime is POVERTY. My view is that the main reason the US has more violent crime that much of Europe is because we have more poverty over all, and we have more pockets of deep, hopeless poverty. Our cultural make up and systemic problems are different in the US than anywhere else, so the solution is more complex than just emulating a few laws. And that isn’t to say there aren’t pockets of poverty and crime in Europe. Clearly there are. But evidently the conditions in parts of America are worse than the worst parts of Europe.
Main evidence to support difference in weapons laws are not the reason we have more violence:
Places like the UK and Australia who enacted much more restrictive laws in the 90s, never had NEAR the same amount of violence even before the new laws. Why was that? Canada is basically America Jr, has very similar laws, and again has much less crime than the US. Laws alone aren’t the reason for the difference, as even when they had similar laws, the crime rates were much different.
In the most recent thread the stats per capita was domestic abuse murders, and the NON FIREARM stats were amazingly high compared to most of Europe. So even if the US had the same weapons laws, and had the same rate of firearm domestic abuse murders, the murders caused by knives, blunt instruments, and hands was still astronomically high. Why is that?
And here is the big one - and where it gets hypocritical. You can look up the stats of Central and South America who have literally some of the highest murder rates in the WORLD, and who also have some of the most restrictive weapons laws in the world. Yet I am told that doesn’t count as they aren’t fully developed nations like the US.
You want to talk about “pretending that per-capita statistical comparisons between countries don’t matter because they’re inconvenient to the point being argued.”
If level of economic development and wealth trumps the laws so badly we can’t directly compare them, then maybe, just maybe consider my point that the main problem with violent crime in the US is pockets of areas with lack of wealth and development.
- Even with no major weapons law reforms on the federal level, the murder and violent crime rate has been steadily falling since its peak in the 90s. The murder rate is at the same level it was in the early 1960s, back when we had even less restrictive laws (the Gun Control Act of 1968 being the largest gun law bill other than maybe the NFA).
It is LESS THAN HALF what it was in 1991. We reduced the rate by MORE THAN HALF! This tells me it is less about our weapons laws, and more about something else. Perhaps things are getting better in the poorest areas. Our social programs have slowly expanded. There is a possible link between environmental lead and violence as well. But clearly, if we can reduce half of our murders with more or less the same gun laws, it isn’t the laws that is the problem.
So TL;DR - yes Europe has less murders and violence than in the US. No I don’t think weapon laws are the reason for this. Backing this statement up with observations and evidence doesn’t mean I am ignoring that Europe does indeed have less violent crime and murders. It means my analysis as to WHY that is different.