Michael Moore: Planet of the Humans available for free

About the Michael Moore-executive-produced film, climate scientists are saying there are a great number of factual errors. Some of these scientists have rebuttal pieces written, but they’re in pre-publication review. One big problem, I saw stated, is that the purported facts about how solar panels are made are a decade out of date.

Bill McKibben (founder of 350.org, an organization urging us to keep fossil fuels in the ground and keep atmospheric CO2 concentration below 350ppm – oops, we’re now around 416ppm) had a finger pointed at him in the film. Here’s his rebuttal.

I watched the first half of the film. Its method at times was to show some bad aspect and to imply therefore it’s all bad, while ignoring the larger and more relevant truths. For example, the filmmaker is right to criticize industrial approaches to renewables, but I think the larger truth is that the problem is market-based approaches, period, where we only get solutions if some industry can make money at it. In my view, it’s way too late for that, and we should invest our money and efforts into renewables as a primary goal, as a first-class objective, just because our future well-being depends on it.

And of course we have to start where we are, which is with energy from fossil fuels, and use that to convert our energy systems to use renewables as quickly as possible. Which is just a start because I keep seeing 2C as a real limit which we should not exceed for fear of truly dire consequences. And 1.5C as a much better limit but getting close. And 1.0C was really the right goal but scientists working on IPCC recommendations worried politicians would just turn their backs on the whole thing.

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Thanks, I thought I smelled some rats.

Michael Moore clearly has his heart in the right place, but wow, sometimes he’s really lazy and/or sloppy.

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It’s not something to do with epidemiology. It is more likely that any given subject which is hot enough will draw attention, and journalists which are trying to look for other opinions, for balanced reporting. I don’t want to generalise this in a derogatory way (even after following y’all’s updates on F** News and the likes), I think this is actually a valuable strategy most of the times. Even now, I consider it generally sound. But we are in a large pandemic, and first and foremost, fact checking and perspective are of paramount importance. As is a background check.

In the case I posted, the newspaper in question gave a forum to a known supporter of a right-wing party (including an open right-wing extremist branch of fascists they chose not to expel from their party) who has a track record of giving bullshit advise. They gave it to him because he has a controversial view on the measures against COVID-19 and SARS-CoV-2.
Which were debunked several times.
That’s irresponsible.

The situation is in full swing now. The prime minister of Northrine-Westphalia is blowing the same tune, on a different scale. I haven’t watched his TV appearance yesterday, but apparently he is accusing epidemiologists and virologists of moving the goalposts. We have had a slighly disturbing discussion about this touching this on the BBS before (R0 values, yada yada), and now it has arrived in the political ‘arena’ close to me.

For the record, Northrhine-Westphalia is the Bundesland with the largest population, the highest population density on a state level, and several centres of extremely high population density on communal and city level. I’ve got family and friends there. The majority (seriously, I kid you not) of them has pre-existing conditions.

This “balancing” without providing proper context and proper background checks is destroying my mental health. Well, I knew it would be hard.

At least we don’t yet have someone ‘thinking out loud’ while on camera about injecting disinfectants.

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No. No it’s not. The insistence that every story must have “both sides” is how we got climate change, antivaxxers, and the goddamn new york times saying that “some experts” say you shouldn’t drink bleach.

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Weirdly, I don’t think they are even remotely related to dinosaurs (but birbs are). Gators only date from the oligocene period, which is only 30-20 million years ago… and the last dinosaurs (as we know them) died out or evolved over 60 million years ago.

How weird is it that birbs are more closely related to dinosaurs than to one of the most frightening large reptiles on earth today! But then again, have you seen a fucking cassowary?

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I still am. The deep green ideas being pushed as an alternative tend to be very anti-human, especially if you are not an able bodied and minded male.

I can understand criticism of green capitalism, I am opposed to it myself, but I cannot see deep green as a viable alternative. Murray Bookchin seems to make sense to me in a way that a lot of other theorists don’t.

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I just looked up cassowaries on YouTube - Jebus!!

I’m familiar with the concept that birds are descended from dinosaurs. My mum lives in the countryside and there are a bunch (flock?) of pheasants that come and go from the garden. They’re wild but not particularly afraid of cats/dogs/people so you can get quite close to them.

They’re beautiful but they have really powerful legs with a vicious spike in their heel which I guess is their equivalent of a thumb.

And they sort of strut around the place in a way that is quite dino-like.

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IIRC the whole distinction between dinosaurs and other “reptiles” was the dinos invented bipedalism, some clever thing with their hipbones, so they were all a little birdlike, or had developed from somewhat birdlike ancestors

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  1. Reptile is a paraphyletic group, which is a fancy Greek term for “bullshit”:


2) As you see, Mammals, Tortoises, Lizards (Snakes are Lizards), Crocodilians and Dinosaurs (Birds are Dinosaurs) are all tetrapods with varying common ancestors. You could say “Reptiles” are non-mammalian Amniotes (as long as you were willing to call birds reptiles) but then you’d have to say that this was not a reptile:

Dimetrodon grandis 3D Model Reconstruction.png
By Max Bellomio - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, Link

A tedious discursion into pedantry, perhaps, but it really is about how badly evolution is taught that Victorian concepts of biology still linger with us.

Humans are monkeys. They’re also amphibians, bony fish, and probably sponges (haven’t looked into that last one carefully).

That really is an interesting thing about them, and also, this gem: dinosaurs are divided into two groups: Ornithicians (“bird-hipped”) and Sauriscians (“lizard-hipped”). The former category includes Hadrosaurs (duck-billed dinosaurs), Ceratopsians (e.g. Triceratops) and Ankylosaurs. The latter include the sauropods (“lizard feet” – the giant long-necked herbivores like brachiosaurus) and theropods (“beast feet”, e.g. T-Rex).

Unfortunately for the Victorian scientists who named them, the most prominant member of the lizard-hipped dinosaurs turns out to be…birds.

But how could things like Brachiosaurus and T-Rex be (relatively) closely related? Actually, very easy: check out this early sauropod:

And of course, the “lizard footed” dinosaurs actually mostly adopted elephant-like feet to accomodate their huge bulk, while the beast-feet basically have feet like most non-passerine birds.

We called them “terrible lizards”, the Native Americans called them “thunder birds”, and we got it wrong.

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This is all kind of new to me. I’ve seen windmills go up here in Ireland and on mainland Europe over the last 15 years or so and I just sort of assumed that energy was getting greener, and Germany was leading the way in this.

Solar is less visible here. It’s not a sunny country. But there are grants available for homeowners to install small scale solar to heat water or maybe to generate some power. But Ireland has pretty reliable south westerly winds and it’s a good fit for windmills.

So it’s a bit of a shock to realise that all is not well in green energy.

I’m going to check out Murray Bookchin.

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yeah, thus why I put it in quotes

didn’t feel like looking up a technically correct definition and whether dinosaurs were inside or outside

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The clever is the enemy of the good, and this movie sounds very clever.

If you want to find “studies” suggesting high carbon footprint for solar panels and electric cars you will be inundated. And you will not be surprised by the sources of funding. They range from intentionally tendentious to outright dishonesty.

Wood pellets as an important “green” energy source is silly: they’re obviously nonsense, not passing any smell-check. If that’s your big exposé, well, thanks, someone needed to do it, but…

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This. Solar is great, and we need a lot more of it, but solar alone will not save us.

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Don’t worry, it is. And cheaper!

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Well yes, in uh (checks link) August, 2019. But now that oil has a negative price? I worry that things will just get dirtier than ever once “the economy” is up and running again.

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How could you mistake this Good Boy for a cold-blooded dinosaur? He’s clearly an early form of doggo!

Um… How big is this guy? Asking for a friend…

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He’s definitely closer to being a doggo than a dinosaur.

Don’t worry, he’s not really all that big.

dimetrodon-size

I mean, compared to:

Human beings: bipedal apes roughly half the size of a T-rex cloacal pouch.

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This seems to need that shocked Ferengi gif…

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The reading list on the Communalist subreddit is a good starting point

https://www.reddit.com/r/Communalists/wiki/readingguide

The most prominent example of it being used in the world is Rojava/North East Syria. It isn’t perfect, but they have shown that the ideas can work.

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