Would someone please explain to me why I should have any zero-point respect whatsoever for the people who vote these turd-buckets in?
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Hmm interesting to consider, to be sure.
I am not totally convinced that the state would really be able to force people who do not want to parent to have offspring, only to be given up. I also wonder how they could possibly monitor each of us so closely that they could prevent people from terminating; or that there would be a public will to support so many with state money.
That future almost sounds worse?
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I wanted to suggest something similar:
First: find one guy (or a list of guys) who can claim to have slept with anybody who asks.
Second: get him/them to create a church where providing genetic material for paternal testing is immoral and therefor cannot be compelled.
Bonus: Have that one guy (or list) change their name (or signature) to Justin Humphrey or a variant (J. Humphry) so it will look like he is authorizing all the abortions anyways.
It’s not gonna happen, I know, but my point is: they build a wall, you build a ladder. And it does make me wonder if he’s the same type who believes you can’t regulate the financial industry.
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If it was a legitimate go fuck yourself, the body has a way of shutting the whole thing down.
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I AM SPARTACUS!
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Humon’s got that covered:
[ETA: I think folks hereabouts would enjoy her Scandinavia and the World webcomics, too.]
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But isn’t that effectively what happens to a man who impregnates a woman, who then chooses over his objection to bear the child?
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***In case this reference was lost on anyone. BB cliff notes.
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I’m not so sure it was.
I understand quips like this, but I would not consent to pregnancy and labor for any amount of money.
It’s like saying it’s OK to perform unwanted medical experiments on someone or steal an organ as long as you pay them afterwards.
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It is, but in this case, one person in the relationship still wants to parent.
If both people do not want to parent, could the state insist that they not terminate based on the option of outside gestation?
That’s a nice hat he’s got. I wonder if they make 'em for men too.
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As opposed to…?
This asshole.
This asshole has (apparently) never learned the lesson that opinions are like assholes. And some people need to keep their assholes mouths shut.
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We already take kids away from incompetent or unwilling parents through the foster care system…would this be so different?
It gives me an excuse to point at political idiocy on the matter of women’s bodies.
Also speaking as a man, I would be 100% happy to abide by the results of a national referendum on what our abortion laws should be, said referendum to be voted upon by women only.
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Well, the foster care system is designed with the goals of rehabilitation and ultimately with reunion. It is very rare for the state to take children away permanently.
Forcing people who do not want progeny to produce them only to hand them over to the state strikes me as very different.
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Man, that guy is a SLUT!
I think I probably will reconsider my position on abortion if someone presents a good case like: “Instead of performing abortions, we should just harmlessly teleport the baby out of the woman into an artificial womb and then have the commune take care of it collectively when it is born.” I find that argument pretty persuasive (and the counter-argument, “Hey, it’s my kid, I should get to choose” extremely unpersuasive. But yeah, the technology.
It’s easy to spin it in a distopian way, but the reality is that if the technology existed, I think it would be pretty easy to change people’s minds with public education. The thing is, in addition to the technology, you would need a society that actually looked after children. People love to use rape and incest, and threat to the life of the mother as go to examples of why abortions can be necessary, but poverty that would be worsened by another kid is a pretty common reason people seek abortions.
If child poverty were basically unheard of and no one was choosing between clothes and food or food for parents vs. food for children. If children all had health care and good schools. If society said, “Children are out future, we need to take care of them as a whole society,” then we’d live in a culture that would be ready to say, “If you can’t bear this child, we’ll use our technology to make it so you don’t have to, but not allowing the child to be born isn’t your decision.”
But even then I can’t imagine criminal laws against abortion would be a good idea. Even if we agree abortion is a bad thing, criminal laws against it seem to just take a bad thing and make it worse.
Oh my god! I was going to refer to Rep. Humphrey (Bene Tleilax) in my comment, but I thought it was too deep (especially since the fact that Axlotl tanks are evolved from women isn’t known until book five, I want to say?).
I came to express my outrage and this guy’s opinion that he owns other people (women especially), but I stayed for the Sci-Fi tangents.
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I’m not seriously suggesting it as a solution. The point rather is to confront a totally unreasonable assertion, with one that men like this would also find unreasonable.
