Paypal closes accounts on far-right social network Gab

Gab was set up specifically and marketed as a functionally similar alternative to Twitter where members of various alt-right groups could be “politically incorrect” (i.e. be racist and sexist arseholes) without fear of being banned under the service’s community guidelines.

From the article posted by @KathyPartdeux:

Gab was launched in 2016 by Andrew Torba, a former advertising technology CEO from Pennsylvania. Its SEC filings say the company allows anyone to post on its site, which operates similarly to Twitter. But Gab is particularly interested, the filings say, in courting what the company calls an “underserved” segment of the population: “conservative, libertarian, nationalist, and populist internet users” fed up with mainstream social media networks censoring “conservative views.”

Twitter is crappy in its own way but isn’t presenting itself as a haven for hatemongers.

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3 comments on the article and they’re all right wing trolls. These assholes have a serious machine in place…

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Serious machine:

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Somewhere between 14,913,250 and 20,222,000 likes.

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https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1056738461808451584?s=21

Although Twitter management are arseholes in their own way, they usually don’t scream about the threat of communist subversion.

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The difficulty is that in the past the camps felt pretty clear: There were wingnuts ranting about lizard people or cosplaying in Klan robes and there was everyone else. You could pretty well tell the difference. Yeah, there were always a few suit&tie nazis, but they never really gained traction until recently.

Recently, it seems nazis are everywhere. They’re in the White House, they’re on the streets, they’re on talk shows, they’re on every internet forum. Thing is, the way they got there was by pretending not to be nazis. Turns out the most important and influential nazis are the ones who won’t cop to their own values, but instead use sneaky rhetoric and dogwhistles to advance their line.

Obviously these people and their politics need to be stopped. They don’t need to be engaged in debate, or have an open forum for their ideas, because they don’t have any real ideas (other than power). They are pretending.

This has been a major revelation for a lot of people, which is good. But it has also created a sort of political paranoia in the Left. Now that we know nazis are among us, using deceptive rhetoric to advance fascism under the guise of real debate, everyone is suspect. Any given critique of the left is most likely just crypto-fascist driving trollies, and so we understandably approach critiques of us with that assumption.

The real accomplishment of the 9/11 terrorists was not the destruction of the WTC, it was the hypertrophying of the American security state at home and abroad. Bin Laden wanted that reaction, because even though it polarized many forces against him, it created a battlefield on his terms.

In the same way, nazis want us to become suspicious of debate and critique, because even when we’re successful and manage to get society to reject their critique as disingenuous, a social environment where critique is stigmatized is far more hospitable to their politics. This is not theoretical, it’s a documented prong in the american fascist strategy, and it’s part of what’s making their power grow. So I do think it’s relevant to discuss in this context.

Just as the movement against the War on Terror was equally a resistance against the American police state, the movement against fascism should also be a resistance against simplifying our discourse for the sake of stopping fascism.

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According to the ADL, the bobblehead Nazis were always hobbled by funding. Obviously they weren’t useful to the boardroom/country club Nazis* at the time.

https://www.adl.org/resources/reports/funding-hate-how-white-supremacists-raise-their-money

 * American wealthy elite racist fascists pre-date the Nazis, but for lack of a better term…

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Like how conservatives basically own talk radio, local news, etc? Yeah, a lot of conservative voices being drowned out here.

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Damning them with faint praise? Of course, I thought the “damning” part was taken for granted.
But zero seats? That’s a lot to ask. My compatriots are no smarter than the citizens of those other countries.

Only that in the European countries whose party system I am aware of in more detail, the parties that call themselves “liberal” are usually to the right of the “conservative” parties on the economics axis. Which is why I usually refuse to classify myself using the term when I speak English, as it will lead to misunderstandings.

Very interesting, thanks!
So if I understand you correctly, we talking about a “symbolic victory” - i.e. something that does no real damage to their business but sends the public message that they are unwanted.

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Not exactly. It makes doing business for them more annoying, in that they have to a) move hosts and b) pick something other than a “top 5 cloud” provider. But it’s far from a death sentence.

Like I said, being kicked off CloudFlare would be a HUGE deal.

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If you’ve lost your hosting and are down till who knows when, lost your ability to get funding & lost one of your founders and 2nd largest stockholder & been kicked out of your office space - that victory is symbolic only in in someone’s imagination.

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Hey Gab, why exactly did you have to rebrand from the frog logo? And why did you lie about it’s origin?

Oh yes, because you explicitly marketed yourself as a place for far-right trolls that got banned from Twitter but changed the story somewhere along the line.

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My point is that they’re all fascists, and the degree of difference doesn’t matter all that much.

It’s not about stupidity but about ignorance of their own history. Which is why they’re able to get even one seat.

A bar that caters to Nazis that has to move premises and repaint its sign and find new suppliers every few months due to public pressure is going to have a very difficult time staying in business, and rightly so.

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Well yes but this can all be filed under “if you just so happen to meet assholes all the time, maybe you’re the one who is the asshole” :wink:

I also wasn’t aware they lost their crowdfunding and the other things you mention… but… see above statement ↑

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Hoboy. Either they are confused on what Communism is, or they are confused on what “literally” means.

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As I said, this is a communication problem, but it’s your problem, and it doesn’t have to be.

Critiquing entrenched, established power is essential. Does the left have power right now? If not, then that optics is not the left’s problem. At all.

It’s also useful for the Nazis to see that window shifted further to the right—and getting that debate has proven massively useful them. Legitimate debate is useful, but there’s absolutely nothing legitimate about debating Nazis, because we already have a consensus, derived from blood and debate.

If you’re saying Devil’s Advocacy is an important part of the process of establishing a consensus, you’re possibly correct, but you’ve arrived too late to participate in this one.

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“If PayPal has decided to pull its support from a disreputable platform for speech it finds repugnant, that’s its right as a private organisation.”

“That’s it’s right as a private organization” applies every bit as much to Google helping the Chinese build a massive censorship infrastructure, but for some reason if you bring that point up in defense of Google it doesn’t go very far.

The right-wing websites are currently griping about bomb-making instructions being easily found with Google search. When Google is censoring search results to appease the right, that’s the world you’ll have built. And you need to own it, because you supported it.

Aye; this nonsense was supposed to have been settled for good back in 1945.

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I always remember that Rock Against Racism were not all communists, but Rock Against Communism were all racists.

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Indeed, a private company subverting its internal and public culture and values to accommodate an authoritarian state is problematic.

Has that happened here?

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