That was coverd in that video series I posted above, where typically the speaker votes in favor of further debate, very rarely voting to pass the law. I don’t know how I found the channel (algorithms) but the play by play has been interesting.
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Which of the options above will be the case after the Withdrawal agreement is completed?
The answer is the 2nd one - So it’s Brexit.
Maybe not your brexit, nor any of the 17.5M other versions - but the one you were happy for the government of PiP, UC, East Coast Mainline, Carillion, Capita and all their other fuck-ups to plan and execute.
Have the balls to own it.
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They never do. They can’t admit they were conned, so all they can do is blame assorted Others (the elites, the immigrants, the brown people, the splitters, Teh Gayz, da Jooz, etc., etc.) for the problems they were instrumental in bringing down upon themselves – all the while ignoring the real victimisers and exploiters of the working class and the poor like the Tories and UKIP.
I mean, I understand that lots of people want to separate from the EU. But a reasonable referendum question would be “Parliament shall come up with and agree upon a workable plan for separating from the EU Before Invoking Article 50 – Yes or No”, not “We wanna Leave now-now-NOW – Yes or No”. That Cameron succumbed to this childish demand will put him in the history books, just not in the way he’d have preferred.
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Considering the UK handed Poland over to Stalin and sentenced them to decades of oppression, I think they owe them a few low paying jobs.
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That is part of what worries me, that when the Brexit fuck-up resolves itself (and it won’t be the British Empire reunion fantasy that most Brexiters believe will happen) we will be blamed and attacked rather than they admit to being fooled.
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Count on it, I’m afraid. The moment that the external enemy is vanquished and things stay the same or (more likely) get worse for the Know-Nothings, demagogues like Farage and Tories like Rees-Mogg and Johnson will have no compunction about saving their skins by scapegoating “the enemy within” (i.e. “elites” like yourself who aren’t fortunate enough to be able to move abroad). And the Know-Nothings will eat it up like all the other BS that’s been heaped on their plates by the same right-wing creeps.
This is a new one for me. What exactly do these geniuses envision happening in this regard? That upon the conclusion of a hard Brexit, Canada and Australia and NZ and Ireland will suddenly say “hey, let’s join up full-time with those guys again and let them take the lead – they really have their act together”?
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…are examples of the saner end.
And this less so:
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So, are you for Northeran Ireland leaving he UK, or willing to accept the inevitable violence a No Deal Exit with a new hard border will lead to?
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So you won’t own it?
Your vote enabled this - only the Parliament you maligned has stood in the way of May’s deal being passed by fiat, with no parliamentary oversight whatsoever.
And “No Deal” doesn’t exist - it is a fantasy as real as £350M for the NHS or Turkey joining the EU. Did you miss the PM’s statement about this?
“Because Parliament has made clear it will stop the UK leaving without a deal, we now have a stark choice: leave the European Union with a deal or do not leave at all. 6 April 2019
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Wow. Just…wow.
Meanwhile, Canada signed CETA almost three years ago, Australia and NZ started negotiating their respective treaties with the EU last year, and other Commonwealth countries like are engaged in similar discussions with the EU. “Most favoured nation” clauses are pretty much a given with the developed Commonwealth countries’ treaties, and countries like India and Kenya and S. Africa aren’t exactly jumping to become part of a new British economic empire, meaning that the member nations of the EU come out ahead in most cases because they’re working together instead of striking individual deals.
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Well, quite. Hence:
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Oh, he’s owning it – like the Joker owned his plans for Gotham City. Delusional, magical thinking with a fallback “plan” of watching the world burn.
“Empire 2.0”. That’s some industrial-grade stupid, right there.
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I have to wonder what theses people are smoking when they think they will somehow negotiate BETTER trade deals outside of the EU. It is literally like a guy thinking his 10 unit order will somehow negotiate a better deal from the manufacturer than the 10000 unit order from a distributor. The trade power of the EU is its size. No matter how big and important one may think the UK is, it still is only X number of people and X size of economy.
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Your post fails the Poe test.
We are emphatically not a ‘leave’ nation, we are at best a divided one.
I could go on but if you meant what you typed, you’re not interested in an adult conversation, and I’ve enough shouting matches for this lifetime.
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Well, it all depends on what you consider ‘better’. The people who propose that sort of thing generally take the view that the only trade deal would be:
- Lets all just sell each other lots of stuff.
- No, we won’t have any regulations or safety standards, we’ll happily buy your lead paint covered children’s toys, e-coli contaminated runner beans, chlorinated chicken, or whatever as long as you buy our Scotch.
So, on that basis - yes you could have trade deals in a heart beat. The difficulty with negotiating trade deals is all that nasty stuff about agreeing on basic standards.
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It’s more the idea that the EU is stopping the UK from rebuilding the empire, and that without it they can become great again. This should sound familiar to anyone who remembers their history lessons from school.
I think that India’s response to this will be
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So it’s Build A Wall Brexit you support? You do realize you live on an island, right? You do realize that 70+% of UK industry is dependent on EU suppliers/customers, right? The UK-built jet engines that will be stuck unable to cross the Channel won’t replace the German motors that go into UK-built cars; you do know that, right?
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Yeah, I do not doubt that they exist, mind, it’s just that I live in Munich, so all of my Brit friends are either expats as well or the sort of people who I first met over the internet and relatively social. So I can only rely upon the words of them and now of yours, dear sir.
And should you make it to Munich, I would love to buy you a beer and show you around my city, especially since I have a hunch you would do the same for me.
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So it’s not a complete separation then is it?
This is what confuses me about the leave argument, they keep saying leave means leave but when you start questioning them you find out that one person’s leave is different from another person’s leave. We had the best deal, it was called being a member of the EU.
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The Speaker in the US is a sitting elected member serving as a usual legislator, elected by the body to the role of Speaker. Its more akin to the UK Prime Minister in certain ways. The Speaker of the House doesn’t *need * to be a member of any party, but since they’re chosen by vote among the members. They’re almost always going to be a member of a party, and probably the majority party.
The President of the Senate seems more like the British Speaker. Only voting to break a tie, and over seeing proceedings. Except the Vice President is the President of the Senate, so he’s still an elected official. And he’s probably gonna be a member of a party. Most of the actual presiding over things falls to the President pro tempore, a sort of understudy President of the Senate. Except without the tie breaking vote. Who like the speaker is a sitting senator and is elected through members voting. So again most likely part of the majority party. Only these days the PPT doesn’t preside much, instead delegating that duty to Junior Senators so they can feel important or something.
Then there’s minority and majority leaders, which are party roles not government offices. And their subordinates the “Whips”, cause its kinky.
