I think the Democratic Party should totally nominate Hillary Clinton again in 2020.
She is an awesome candidate and it will really show the country how Democrats learn from their mistakes.
Also, keep talking shit about all those voters who might vote for you even though they don’t like you very much.
Whether it’s the socialists or the deplorables, just make sure they know you despise them and that it’s their duty to vote for whichever sketchy legacy candidate is up next.
If Clinton doesn’t want to do it, I bet Joe Biden will step up. It’ll be great.
It’s too late for that. But I have unique insight into the minds of all the other commenters in the thread and can tell you precisely what went wrong with it.
Given the present fucked-up state of affairs, I’d absolutely vote for Uncle Joe if the election was being held tomorrow. You get what you see with him, he’s got character and conviction, and let’s face it, he inspires fantastic memes!
Edited to add: But I hope by the time the next presidential election does arrive that we’ll have multiple qualified candidates from which to pick, ones which represent multiple elements of the party, and ones which can ultimately inspire voters to show up at the polls and care about their country and their fellow humans.
There is a world of wrong in your last post. And despite my better judgement I’m going to address it, point by point.
Oh really? You’re cherry-picking articles and figures and YOUR so-called “data” to prove your own points and I’m not allowed to doubt any of it. I’m “not allowed”? Not allowed?
How dare you tell me what I am allowed or not allowed to think.
I have treated you with courtesy. I have argued in good faith. I have acknowledged we are never likely to agree, but respected your right to hold a differing opinion. And you have the balls to tell me what I am “allowed” or “not allowed” to think? You’re going to tell me what I know or don’t know? You respond to me with assumptions, arrogance and disrespect? That right there is the biggest, stinkiest bullshit of all, and I do not and will not accept it.
Never respond to me again on this or any other topic.
It’s too early for it, but in two days it’ll die. Then some new thread will appear so various Trump opponents can blamestorm on why it’s really some select group of enemies within we need to vilify. If only those damn (liberals|kids|Sanders backers|Leftists|purists|pragmatists|moderates|Democrats|etc.) would see this is all their fault, the we’ll surely make great progress at, um, something.
Why is it just the fault of Sanders voters? What about Hillary opting to maintain her purity and offering very little to the left? Why do you not think that it was that which cost her the election?
I remember looking at Hillary’s campaign site and being extremely underwhelmed by what was on offer. There were several issues that affect me personally that were only covered by a generic paragraph that offered nothing concrete. Yes, she was a better choice than Trump but that’s an extremely low hurdle.
Despite that I still though she should be president, after Bernie lost the primaries. Yes, I didn’t support her immediately, but that was in the hope she would offer some left wing policies along with her neo-liberal ones (She didn’t). However, I can understand how other people found her message uninspiring.
Hillary had one job. Persuade enough voters to support her in enough states to win. She failed to do that. You can carry on blaming Sanders voters if you want, just don’t expect the Democrats to win anything for a long time if you do. Try persuading them instead and things will improve. We need to be thinking about 2018 now.
Frankly, if you aren’t producing a credible analysis of the same data, or presenting data that calls this analysis into question, then you are the one letting your personal feelings dictate your conclusions.
I don’t think I worded anything, “like a dick.” I think I poked holes in many of your claims and assumptions, for instance that your ideals in any way represented, “the will of the people.”
No holes were made in claims. I claim that it’s Clinton and the DNC’s fault she wasn’t elected. You didn’t even address that. You said a number of mildly insulting sentences, ignored my points of corruption, tried to minimize the damage, and passed over anyone who hoped for or expected an honorable candidate as “not actual people”.
Based on other responses to this conversation, I think that point has resonated with several others.
And? Trump was elected president. Clearly his points resonated with several others. Leave your fallacies on Craigslist Rants & Raves.
It’s one thing to want better candidates; it’s another to not be able to deal with the hand you’re dealt. I understand that some people feel the DNC, a private political organization who certainly isn’t obligated to play by anyone else’s rules, didn’t play fair by Sanders. But I also think it’s the height of irrational disinterest in the actual conditions millions of other people will endure to use that as an excuse to pretend that Clinton and Trump were anywhere close in terms of quality.
The fact that the DNC is a private organization and the level of “quality” of either candidate are not related. The fact that the DNC is private was never disputed. The fact that you’re trying to put that connection on me is bullshit.
I’m sorry if stating overtly that I think your ideas are wrong and your justifications for them irrational and self serving, but I do. That’s not being a dick, that’s being honest.
Fine, I honestly think you’re wrong, you can’t address an argument presented, you ignore and minimize the points made, and you should use less dickish language in your posts. That’s just me being honest.
Maybe, just maybe, you might consider the idea that, perhaps, your ideas aren’t the best for the nation or the most sound political conclusion in the wake of this election.
…as opposed to the DNC blaming Millennials as to why they lost. You know, the title of this post? I don’t think I need to do quite as much soul searching as the people in the DNC who can’t take responsibility for their own actions, which directly led to Trump’s win. I didn’t alienate half the country by calling them ‘deplorable’.
With Trump calling for, just as one of many examples, increased nuclear armament, I’d like to think that you might take a deep breath and really ponder the idea that anything anyone did that helped him win, up to and including inaction on Nov. 8th, was a serious misjudgment.
Yes. As I’ve stated above. Here it is again:
My role in Hillary’s defeat was limited to not voting for her in a state that solidly did. I didn’t vote Trump. If you try and tell me that I should vote for the “least worst candidate”, then you can ride your high horse elsewhere.
