Revenge porn site owner sentenced to 18 years

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False equivalence - the issue is not what is, but how people choose to perceive it. And it is a choice.

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So we shouldn’t punish thieves because we have an unhealthy attachment to physical goods?

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That depends which is more important to you - getting healthy, or being indignant. They are two separate problems, the thief their thievery, and you your attachment. If my problem was what made my exploitation possible, I’d be a fool to not consider it. A society which prevents attachment also prevents thievery, which might be more effective than encouraging and then punishing it. It’s a “big picture” strategy.

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This is getting into a semantic derail here, but an action having “an element of violence” does not make it violent. Nor does “invoking a very clear notion of violence,” @miasm.

But again, semantics. It doesn’t matter if it was violent by the dictionary definition if it had the same effect on the victims.

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This is where we sometimes come to (friendly, right?) Loggerheads. Choice, yes. But literally 45,000 years of indoctrination, also yes.

Your supposition is from a very good place. But it simply doesn’t match the data.

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The tendency to assume humans are rational beings is the slipperiest of all slopes :slight_smile:

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I’m sorry, but just because no one was punched or kicked or raped or killed doesn’t make this a “non-violent” crime. Psychological damage is real.

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I think you should read the rest of Miasm’s post.

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They’ve ruined people’s lives because they lost their jobs, friends, and been shamed for ways they shouldn’t have been just because they took a naked picture of themselves.

And no, it won’t fix the greater problem, but this guy profited off others misery. He posted those pics, and then extorted them to take them down, knowing full well the negative effect it would have.

Should nudies ruin peoples lives? No. Do they? Well, yes, in the real world we live in, they actually do.

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So, if I creep around spying on the neighbors, catalog all the local interracial couples, and then post the list of addresses to the local KKK; and then some time later all their houses are burnt down by dudes in white hoods; I should be held completely blameless, because I was only providing the data for informational purposes, and it’s not my fault they turned out to be violent racists.

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Losing your job because your boss thinks you’re a “dirty slut” is not a choice, except on the part of the boss, who’s an asshole. At the end of the day, that person still lost their job and to just wave it away and say “well, it’s just about a wrong headed perception about nudity” misses the entire point. The POINT is that the person lost their job, their livelihood. And since many Americans are literally one pay check away from disaster, that’s no small thing. That’s you might be out on the street.

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So, just like some couples might be inter-racials who the KKK was unaware of, some people might be secretly having sex lives? Sounds preposterous to me, as I would naturally assume that any hypothetical person has a sex life of some sort, so it seems a bit mind-boggling that this would be surprising or shocking to anyone. It’s as surprising as finding out that some person is naked under their clothes, or that they eat food, which is to say, it isn’t. Unlike some possible details, it requires no special, secret knowledge about anybody’s personal life.

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Except not everyone is into sex. Asexuals exist, actually. Nudity isn’t always about sexuality either, but about not having clothes on. Sexualizing the naked body all the time is a problem, too.

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Of course, but my point was that sex is hardly unusual.

True. But that they are called “asexual” suggests that sexuality is common enough for their lack of it to be an identifying trait. Not to imply that they can’t/don’t identify with any other, more positive terms.

Of course. But people are speaking of “revenge porn”, and porn can be interpreted as implying sexual activity rather than casual nudity.

I am not convinced that an observer can make the nudity of others sexual, as such. But some do apparently fetishize it or fixate upon it. Although it is not improbable to assume that this tends to happen partly as a result of making nudity and sexuality separate, hidden aspects of life. It’s hard to imagine it happening if these behaviors were actually integrated.

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Yeah… I am struggling with that. I am not happy, but as it is said in Amadeus, “there it is”.

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I though that was Tag Team?

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As an aside, have I mentioned today I enjoy our conversations?

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he is very tanned though.

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Must. I. Do. Everything?

(Giant grin)

Mozart Vs Salieri:

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Well, semantic or not, I said what I said because of reasons.

Going for the definition of ‘violent crime’ rather than violence we get:

Depending on the jurisdiction, violent crimes may include: homicide, murder, assault, manslaughter, sexual assault, rape, robbery, negligence, endangerment, kidnapping (abduction), extortion, and harassment.

I gleefully highlighted a word there.

What I actually said was:

And that might be because I’m in the UK and in the UK:

The United Kingdom includes all violence against the person, sexual offences, and robbery as violent crime.

So just don’t, okay? :wink:

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