"Rich Men North of Richmond" singer says his song was misappropriated by MAGA fanatics

The whole verse is even worse

“I wish politicians would look out for miners / And not just minors on an island somewhere / Lord, we got folks in the street, ain’t got nothin’ to eat / And the obese milkin’ welfare”

He managed to get both Q conspiracies and fat people are taking his tax money into it. I’m sorry…but I don’t think he’s a good guy. Even if he is just uninformed his instincts are toxic - identify a problem and place the blame in completely the wrong place. The problem with our safety net is not fat people

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I guarantee you he’s not imagining his own grandma or his future self.

I have a verse for him:

If you can’t get ahead
without pushing some one down
and you’re making excuses
Cause you wanna watch em drown

Well you’re an asshole
A real self sorry prick
Yeah you’re an asshole
Same ol fascist shit

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If you punch down like bullies do, then of course the bullies will think you are one of them.

Hang out with trash, and you start to smell like trash.

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“… we should help the GOOD poor people but punish the BAD poor people” was a trendy meme during the Reagan era

Politicians would use the phrase “truly needy”

It seemed to peak in the ’90s when even the Democrats said the same things

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And it blows my mind that anyone would think that a country can’t have an economic policy and a justice system. Like, no one ever says hey why are we still prosecuting murderers when GM closes a manufacturing plant.

Like with the suspicion about Richmond being the former confederate capital, I think it’s giving this guy too much credit to parse the lyrics- he clearly is more interested in the cleverness of rich-men sounding close to rhyming with Richmond and miners/minors being homophones, than in saying anything of substance in a coherent way. He’s not a country/folk singer expressing the everyday troubles of the working man, he’s closer to Jon Anderson of Yes singing nonsense because of how the words sound.

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In case anyone hasn’t seen this yet, here is Beau’s take, who argues that the guy is not “authoritarian right”, but a small government conservative…

Given the playlist noted above, I’m skeptical…

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Yeah, I disagree with Beau for once.

I think that guy is a privileged asshole who’s just chagrinned that even bigger assholes are trying to exploit his assholery.

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I’m guessing that this guy (the singer I mean) will reveal more of himself as time goes on, and if and when he does, Beau will change his views and maybe update his video. He’s smart and insightful and I appreciate the work he does, but he’s just a dude, and can get shit wrong.

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I watched a video on YouTube that went over the entire video where he talks about being misappropriated and he comes across as completely disingenuous or he’s just a terrible song writer. It’s especially evident when he starts talking about what the welfare verse “actually means” (5 to 7 min into the video).

edit:

Here's the transcript

well hey there it’s August 25th 2023 A lot’s changed since the last time I sat here and spoke to you um my friends and family have asked me how I’m doing everybody is wondering if I’m uh if I’ve lost my sanity yet and I’m surprisingly calm and at peace I’ve I don’t even know what to say but

I I feel thankful to be given this opportunity um you know the music side is exciting and all the billboard iTunes charts and all that crap that’s great but uh which the exciting part’s been the conversations I’ve had with people and the things I’ve learned just in a couple weeks about um about the human spirit and and

about all sorts of other things the music industry and and how how dirty everything is like it’s it’s worse than you think so I don’t know what the future looks like for me I’m not really too concerned about the future I’m living in the present and I’m I just have to have I just have to have the

discernment to make the right decisions from here on out because um I think about that guy who was sitting here a few weeks ago talking to you and uh uh the most important thing and the most important thing to me is not leaving him behind I don’t want to go on some roller coaster ride and come off

a different person uh if there is anything for me to address at all with you it’s that uh uh you know it’s the one thing that has bothered me is seeing people rap politics up into this uh I’m disappointed to see like it’s aggravating seeing people on conservative news try to identify with me like I’m one of

them it’s aggravating seeing certain musicians and politicians act like we’re buddies and and act like we’re fighting the same struggle here like that we’re trying to present the same message you know I’ve had a lot of people reach out to me and I tried to be polite to everybody and um I’ve talked to hundreds of people the

last two weeks it seems like certain people want to just ride the attention of the song to maybe make them their own selves relevant and that’s aggravating as hell the other thing that I find aggravating is uh well you know like it was funny seeing my song in the it was fun it was funny seeing it at

the presidential debate because it’s like I wrote that song about those people you know so for them to have to sit there and listen to that that cracks me up uh but it was funny kind of seeing the response to it like that song has nothing to do with Joe Biden you know it’s a lot bigger than

Joe Biden um that song is written about the people on the on that stage and a lot more too not just them but but definitely them it’s cool seeing some of my other music come out because people are I guess starting to appreciate and understand what it is I’m really trying to say it’s hard to get a

message out about about your political ideology or your belief about the world in three minutes and some change um but I hate I do hate to see that song being weaponized like I see I see the right trying to characterize me as one of their own and I see the left trying to um trying to discredit me

I guess in retaliation uh that shit’s gotta stop if you watch the response videos on YouTube to this song it’s not conservative people responding to the song it’s not even necessarily Americans responding to the song um I don’t know that I’ve seen anything get such positive response from such a diverse group of people and I think that

terrifies the people that I sing about in that song and they’ve done everything they can the last two weeks to make me look like a fool to spend my words to try to stick me in a political bucket and they can keep trying but I’m just going to keep on writing and I’ve got a lot of words

to put down on paper and I’ve got I’ve got a lot of songs to put the chords and um I don’t know what my music career is going to look like I don’t know how many shows I’m gonna do and how many tours I’m gonna put on but I am going to stay true to my word I’m

I’m gonna write I’m going to write produce and distribute authentic music that represents people and not politics I do feel compelled to address something since I have addressed the conservatives I do need to address the left as well because they’re sending a message out that that that initial song that sort of shot me up the radar Richmond

north of Richmond is is an attack against the poor if you listen to my other music it’s obvious that all of my songs that reference class defend the poor uh dog on it’s a good example of that needles in the street folks hardly surviving on sidewalks next to highways full of cars self-driving the poor keep hurting in

the rich keep thriving it’s like that’s what I like to sing about and you know the English language is interpretive and so I do understand like there may be some people who who misunderstood my words in Richmond north of Richmond but I’ve got to be clear that my message like with any of my songs it references the

inefficiencies of the government because of the politicians within it that are engulfed in bribes and extortion and you know the words say that there’s people on the street with nothing to eat in the obese milk and Welfare that references a news article I read earlier this Summer that adolescent kids in Richmond are missing meals over the summer

because their parents can’t afford to feed them and they’re not in school to eat cafeteria lunch and meanwhile I think like 30 or 40 percent of the food bought with welfare or EBT money is um is in a classification of like snack food and soda I think 10 spit on soda and I want to say like 20

or 30 percent spent on junk food and that’s not the fault of those people uh welfare only makes up a small percentage of our budget you know we can if we can fuel a proxy war in a foreign land but we can’t take care of our own that’s all the songs trying to say it’s just saying that

the government takes people who are needy dependent and makes them needy independent and at some point I will dissect all my lyrics of all my songs if that’s what I need to do I mean 30 some million people understood what I was saying but it only takes a few to try to uh derail the train you know

to try to send out false narratives and I’m sure there’ll be more of that to come it’s like uh it’s driving people crazy to see the unity that’s come from this from all walks this isn’t a Republican and Democrat thing this isn’t even a a United States thing like this has been a Global Response and don’t let

anybody tell you otherwise go on YouTube and watch all the response videos you know and don’t shoot the messenger like I’m a nobody it’s my belief that divine intervention has put me in this position and this point in time to get a message across and that’s all there is to it like I’m nobody special you know I

I feel terrible almost that I’ve been put in this place because there there are a lot of artists and musicians out there that are far more talented that have put in way more hours than me like I don’t deserve I don’t deserve to sit in the top five places on the iTunes charts and the truth is I

really could give a [ __ ] less about the iTunes charts what I care about is connecting with people what I care about is [ __ ] I don’t I don’t know what this country is going to look like in 10 or 20 years if things don’t change I don’t know what this world’s gonna look like and like something has to

be done about it you know there’s been too many people die there’s been too many people sacrifice everything they’ve had people die before they even before they’re even 18 you know just sit for us to all sit here and just do the stupid [ __ ] it is that we do every day that keeps us all all beat down

and divided like that’s what I want to see stop and I’m gonna do everything I can to influence that at all costs even if it does um even if it does throw my world upside down it’s what it’s well worth it but for now I’m hanging in there and I’m I’m doing what I can and I I

really appreciate everybody who’s along for the ride so uh there’s a lot more to come and I’m excited for it and I’ll see you on the next one

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Word.

We’re all fallible; the best of us realize our flaws/mistakes and do our best to course correct.

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Are they mutually exclusive? “Small government conservatives” only want to shrink the parts of government that help people.

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He’s framing it as such? There is overlap, but if you watch the video, you’ll see he’s specifically saying that he’s not authoritarian right. THAT is what I disagree with. :woman_shrugging:

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Only if you spent less than 3 minutes thinking about them…

ETA: I will concede that making them rhyme could be hard

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Around here, it’s pronounced “Shudna”
“Yew shudna dunnit…”

Back on topic, this episode reminds me a bit of “Born in the USA” being appropriated by jingoists who obviously never read [and/or understood] the lyrics.
Seems like the person who wrote the song would be the authority on what it is supposed to be about; maybe he will write another song to clarify things.

Since he did write the song, I just pay attention to what’s in the lyrics, as opposed to what he says about them. The lyrics indicate really shitty politics.

But, who knows maybe he will surprise me with his next big hit “Doc Lobster”

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(Deepest and most sincere apologies to the b-52’s)

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Two things about that.

One is that the meaning of any work of art is dependent on the interpretation by the audience as well as the intention of the creator.

The other is that right-wingers bullshit and lie like a firehose, then bullshit and lie about their bullshitting and lying. So when someone apparently does a right-wing song and starts to explain why it isn’t right-wing, well… I mean, dog whistles…

Or maybe it’s just a shitty song.

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Seeing how young he looks, and not knowing his upbringing, it made me hopeful that maybe he’ll grow and get a better message. Or get better at expressing it in his art, if he’s sincere in the video.
Then I think of Amanda Gorman, and how she didn’t need to get her message so totally wrong first, and I wish more support would go to artists like her.

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Sure. This guy jacking off to jordan peterson videos is a misunderstood progressive… sure. /s

that’s just not how culture works, though. It’s collectively worked out.

I hope so, but far too often, white dudes do not have to “do better”…

Uh Huh Reaction GIF by Originals

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“North of Richmond” is a dogwhistle so loud my windows are rattling. Also, it’s funny that he thinks the rich men south of Richmond are any better.

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Woody knew that cynicism was the enemy of all of us who want to make a better world, so I’m ignoring those who accuse Anthony of deliberately stoking the culture wars that have divided America. I hear someone struggling to make sense of a world in which help is hard to come by. I wish Oliver Anthony all the best with his newfound fame. I hope it allows him to make a living playing music. But I know from experience that he’s going to face a lot of scrutiny from partisan players demanding he clarify his politics.

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