Rule mail-fighting-fancy-spam with an iron fist because YOU ARE THE MOTHER F*CKING KING!

Apple Mail sucks, but if you can point me in the direction of an easier email reader that works with Exchange (yuck! but I have no choice in work) then I’d be happy to give it a try.

It has improved over the years. I haven’t had any issues with it, but YMMV.

I think I love you.

I managed to resist Outlook all the way till I retired. The CEO wanted everybody to use it till he managed to blow up his local binary blob and lose loads of emails before he worked out why. But I was running Windows and Ubuntu in parallel with the same applications, and Outlook failed the compatibility test. Thunderbird didn’t.
That’s why it is a pity that now Google won’t let you send from Thunderbird because it is “insecure”.
I admit that as I get old and forgetful I use Google services because their creepy AI is actually very helpful to me. But also their spam filters are pretty intelligent. Increasingly I leave things to Inbox and it does a good job. If Inbox gets discontinued I’m going to have to manage my own mail all over again.

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Exchange? You’re lucky, I helldesked at Apple for a while, and we were forced to use Lotus Notes.

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“Spam-fighting mail-rule”

I salute the use of hyphens in the headline! This one will NOT go on the (imaginary) list of confounding headlines on BoingBoing :smile:

(someone should really start a list :smile:)

ETA (4 days later): the title on the BBS has been changed by someone since I posted that, see below.

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seriously? dafuq, never heard this before.

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I send from Thunderbird through Google Mail (for a hosted domain for a third party) about 50 times a day… It works fine. It hasn’t ever stopped working.

I sent for a gmail account of my own until the last 10 months (when I moved my mail to another place).

I think you may have a configuration problem on your end if it doesn’t work.

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:smirk:

Yes, it turns out to be a configuration issue (this is on someone else’s computer, I don’t use Thunderbird.) Thank you [edit] both [/edit] for putting me straight.

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don’t thank me, @enso introduced the “probably misconfigured” tip

If body contains “unsubscribe” and From: is not any of my addressbooks, then move message to folder “Spam.”

If I’m thinking this through properly, I would get a lot of false positives out of this rule set.

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Good to know. I haven’t felt the need to revisit it. My initial comment was mainly because it doesn’t seem to get a lot of use.

[super-timely reply mode ACTIVATE!]

Yes, a bunch of people do use Mail.app, and yes, its suction is undiminished. Last January I decided to finally spend the time to find a better mail client setup. It was unpleasant. I ended up using Mail.app after all.

I should probably have made a blog post about the process, but the conclusion was that there are way more ingredients to a great mail experience than you’d think, and no client has all those ingredients, but Mail is probably the least deficient. There are a couple of slick new apps with fresh ideas (like Unibox displaying all the attachments in a mailbox), but all of them lack some critical feature and/or have bugs. Or then there are nerdy older clients like MailMate, but that doesn’t support POP or WYSIWYG messages. There’s a surprising lack of client-side spam filtering, which I can’t function without, and although some clients integrate with SpamSieve, it starts to get very creaky.

That said, my criteria may be a little niche. People who only use a single GMail account, and aren’t bothered about retaining old messages, might find that some of the newer clients work for them.

It’s also in thunderbird. And google mail. But sure, conclude that if you like. Can’t stop people being incorrect.

Try again.

"Click Tools | Account Settings…
and select Junk Settings in the left pane for
the account to see these settings. This section includes the ability
to enable addressbooks which will be used as a whitelist. If the
sender of a message is a contact in an addressbook that has been enabled
for whitelist, then that message will not be marked as junk.
"

…I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying they do not allow it? Because the option for “is/isn’t in my address book” is right there in my message filter builder.

It would seem I misread you, and then expanded on your point.

Real mail people use Mutt!

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Oh, so sorry. Of course everything is different now that we add Thunderbird to the mix, with its… sub-1%… market share.

And no, the filter isn’t in gmail.. has:circle isn’t the same as in:contacts.