Thanks Drew. I was typing a similar response, but then had to do go off and do some actual work.
Oddly, while Hillary is playing the Humphrey role in this year’s election she is probably politically a hair to HHH’s right (except for his freakishly rabid anti-Communism).
I have this vision of Biden running around, joking with people, and then gradually shifting into the topic at hand and moving toward a “you know it’s the right thing to do.” Maybe it’s the wrong impression. But I do feel like the right VP can be extremely effective in persuading congressfolk. Or at least as effective as possible given our congressional malfeasance right now.
Is Sanders that VP? Maybe. I kind of doubt it. I get the impression he pisses congressfolk off rather than persuades them. I think he’s more talented at working with the public to persuade them. That might be something that would really work well for Hillary.
The reason she’s widely hated isn’t the reason Sanders supporters dislike her as a candidate. I think that boils down to misogyny. The Right and the general public at large always hated Hillary more than Bill.
(Disclaimer: Pricklepants 2016.)
I should resist the urge to get down in the weeds on this one, but: did they not hold the voice vote on the rules before the scheduled time, when people were still trying to get through the lines, register, and enter the convention space? And then ignore the fact that the nays actually carried it, or that it was at least close enough to go to a head count?
Once the rules vote is lost, it’s game over.
Its hard to figure from where I sit. They do seemed to have rushed things, and certainly weren’t very interested in entertaining the challenges from the subset of Bernie’s delegates (and it does, very much, seem to be a subset) who were interested in challenging things. But from what I understand things were already running behind at that point, for reasons that might include early attempts at obstruction from that same block of delegates over procedural minutia. And the whole shebang was under pressure from the casino to get things back on schedule. From all the coverage, and even from first person accounts its been difficult for me to figure exactly what happened when, preceded what, and at what point it went wrong. But at no point have I seen any specific claims that something was improperly done. Like I haven’t seen any specific claim that delegates were ruled ineligible when they were actually eligible. Or to take your specific example. Plenty of people claiming the rules vote was improperly handled, but not that those rules were not followed, or that things would have turned out differently if it had been handled better. It does seem that however things were done, that without a change to the rules or a different ruling on base facts Hillary would take it.
The anger I’ve seen seems based entirely on the “fairness” of the actual procedure, as opposed to any moment where purported bias removed success from Bernie Sanders. Which makes sense to me inherently. Since as pointed out, Hillary won this shit. And everything that’s come afterwards has been about using party mechanics to mitigate or reverse that win. That’s why I’ve said I’m not sure that anything could have made these people happy. On the face of it, even a days long careful weighing of all their issues would have in all likely hood broken the same way (based on the info I have).
And in the end it does seem that things had already started to go weird before then. And I don’t think anything justifies what has followed. Especially given that this whole fight is down to the “fairness” of the process for Sander’s campaign attempting to reverse the actual choice made by voting Americans.
I got a degree about the same time and if I remember correctly, tuition was only about $700 per semester. I had grants and scholarships that paid for that, plus books and expenses, with money left over.
Well honestly I don’t understand what the fuck happened in Nevada. Clinton is going to get the nomination barring her death at this point, so making last minute rules changes to exclude people from voting in order to get her a couple of delegates did nothing but send a message, and the message was, “All of your worst ideas about Clinton are right.”
It’s silly to blame Clinton personally for this particular shitty thing that happened, but I see how it plays into a narrative of Sanders being unfairly shut out of the process. The fact is that unfairly shutting people out of the process is part of the process, and no one should approve of that, but as Donald Trump said, “You’ve heard me complain a lot about how the system is rigged, but you won’t hear me say that anymore because I won.” (Though you can bet he’ll continue to complain about how the system was rigged against Sanders while he is facing Clinton in the general).
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