Second U.S. person with omicron was at an NYC anime convention with 53,000 people

Here’s the problem.

If the [Local Government | State Government | Federal Government | Local Health Department] cancels the event, the convention works with the event centers to roll the deposits and contracts over to the next year. Why? Because if the venues can’t provide the services that they contracted out for, they can’t keep the deposits.

If the convention cancels the event, they go out of business. They lose all of their deposits, people probably won’t get their ticket money back, there will be no next year.

I actually went to DragonCon this year. I did very little in person; I mostly attended virtually from my hotel room. For the most part, I think it can be described as “DragonCon: The Contractual Obligation Year”.

And the messed-up thing is this applies to the attendees too. If my hotel had called me and said “Hey, we can’t do DC this year; your room is canceled” I probably would have stayed home. If I called and canceled my room, I had a 100% deposit on it that I would have lost. If I would have stayed home, I would not have gotten a refund on my badge.

So… don’t be mad at the conventions for happening. They really don’t have a choice.

BE FURIOUS AT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR ALLOWING THESE (!@& THINGS TO HAPPEN.

I really got the feeling that the local Atlanta and GA state officials wanted the revenue from DragonCon to happen, that some of us may die, and that was a sacrifice they were willing to make.

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Multistate spread of a new variant from an anime convention!?! Bullshit. This was a choice, anyone who has been paying attention would know it was a bad one, and it was done in the name of profit.

All along, we’ve generally known what the right things to do to reduce or eliminate spread and we keep doing the opposite. I’m so sick of people talking about the inevitability of this. None of it is inevitable. We just have to have the will to make the right decisions and enforce them.

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This is really important. Our friends in Orange County (CA) still wear their masks and get so much shit from other non-mask wearers. We are so happy that we live in LA County and in a city that still has mask mandates when you go to stores.

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Its all about money and contract obligations. It was for the same reason a lot of conventions only announced the cancellation of the event a couple weeks ahead. Their contract could only be broken without penalty because of local health orders.

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GREED.

Ftfy.

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MFF is happening right now and I hope everybody is staying safe.

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Well, doesn’t a layer of fur basically count as another layer of masking? :smirk:

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You’d figure that would change in the midst of an ongoing pandemic, though.

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LA Comicon is coming up, and I’m going nowhere the F near it.

They’re going to have to call it “L.A. Comicron”…

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It does I think. I went to Biggest Little Fur con in Reno a few weeks ago and they required Vax card and everybody was expected to mask even in fursuit.

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Yeah. I have a friend that staffs and has chaired that con.

They’re in the unfortunate position where they’ve got so much cash tied up in the con that not only would they go out of business if they cancelled this time again, but it’d actually financially hit board members. They’re not happy about having to run this con, but these things aren’t cheap and not everyone can afford to file bankruptcy.

Many cons are in this position, and unless the states say “Don’t”, there’s nothing they can do now. Asking people to basically become homeless is a rough thing to do :frowning:

As for other things, and my behavior earlier.

No excuses. I fucked up. I’m sorry. I can say I’m nervous waiting for my COVID test or a million other things because I’ve actually behaved pretty much like everyone was SAYING I should… and I could make up a lot of excuses. But I’m not going to. Nobody deserves to be treated as I treated people here earlier, and I want to think I’m a better person but clearly have some work to do on that. It’s all on me. I’d apologize to specific people publicly, because I said these things publicly, but I also don’t want to intrude on them with a message/notification.

Gonna take a bit of a break, I think.

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Or @anon85524460 can look at how long previous pandemics lasted for, instead of asking us.

2-5 years seems to be about average. I guessed it would last around 2-3 years at the start, but I didn’t take covidiots into account.

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Being greymuzzle who was on staff of Confurence in the 90s, I really get the position they were in. My roommate called this BLFC a contractual obligation con. It seemed to be managed fine given the situation. (Pizza stunts aside)

Also No clue about your earlier behavior and have no context but I hope you are ok.

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I’m about to do day 5 of a virtual conference from home. I attend and listen, lie on the couch, surf the web, trim my nails, cook ramen, get full PD/CPD/CPE credits, and actually learn a few things. I have learned about as much as I would in person and have saved my org about $2,000.

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ET delete and add - I don’t know what I am trying to say. I’m just so tired from seesawing between peer and organizational pressure to go back to normalcy, and the realization that that is the exact thing that is spreading this thing.

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Michigan is avg’ing 8000+ new cases/day. My BF and friends of ours have gigs coming up, and my BFF is planning my BF’s upcoming bday dinner in SW Detroit at a Mexican restaurant. I don’t think it’s safe to do any of that.

A gig one of his bands is booked for is a yearly bus pub crawl called Santarchy. Tons of ppl dress up as Mr or Mrs Claus, elves, reindeer, etc, park at one of the bars, then hop on busses which take them to loads of other bars. The busses run until closing, and advance arrangements are made to get the far-too-inebriated Santas rides home. Bands perform at each bar, there’s free food, and I’m sure every joint’s as jammed w/Santas as the place my BF’s band plays. We spend the whole evening there, from load in until close.

The only way I could ever get to the ladies’ room was to smile at the nearest Santa and say, “Pardon me, Santa - I’m tryin’ to get to the bathroom!” They invariably LTAO, shift themselves and the folk around them, and with a booming voice announce variations of, “Hey, make way! This lady’s tryin’ to get to the bathroom!” I’d laugh and grin, thank him and all the Santas along the way. It’s surprising how happy it makes them to be addressed as Santa.

Sounds great, doesn’t it? It really is. I’ve only seen one fight - despite crazed, drunken Santas as far as the eye can see - in the many years he’s played and I came, too (gave it a miss the year I had a Christmassy neon green arm cast!), and the jerk was quickly taken outside by several Santas and properly taken care of with a single fist. He was then poured into a cab home, and buh-bye, asshole.

Sounds great, but not during a MFing pandemic. I have absolutely no interest in attending Santarchy. No fucking way. Just typing the above scares the shit outta me. We got our boosters* Wed evening, and it’ll be sometime before xmas, but there is no way I want to be anywhere that’s wall-to-wall people, esp really drunken ones. I’d only be comfortable re: the bday dinner if the restaurant is half-capacity or comparable. /shudder

*His arm is tender. He reports no other side effects. I am extremely sensitive to drugs, and am allergic to things that few others are, like flu shots and my own hair. He came home from work Thursday to find me sat on the couch wearing a coat, a hat, and armwarmers with my loungewear, shivering. I’d been making weird moans and groans and inhuman sufferation noises all day, which really freaked him out when he heard them. I felt like a squashed teabag in a filthy sink fulla filthy dishes. My arm felt like it had been grabbed and twisted hard by a very big and very angry rugby player. Lotsa weird, creepy micro-sleeps, passing out for a few seconds, but knew there was no point in going back to bed. Very spacey and dissociative at times. He brought home dinner from a great nearby Middle Eastern place, made me a lovely plate, and I burst into tears when he brought it to me. I’m not normally a weeper. [ETA: It was so sweet of him to do all that, and I felt awful for feeling so awful I couldn’t eat it!] There was no way I could eat a shwarma, nor garlic sauce, nor hummus at that point. I managed to eat some pita bread, and knew my stomach was OK. I let it settle a bit, then took 3 200mg OTC ibuprofen, and was very quickly almost myself again! The arm’s still V sore, but kinda functional. I was then able to have my whole shwarma, dipping it in the garlic sauce, even. Later I ate the baklava the owner gave him for free :smiley: and took more ibu, since it was time. Watching Bill Murray in Scrooged also helped a great deal!

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One of the Israeli cases believes he caught the virus at a conference (or immediately afterwards).
A medical conference.

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We have zero mask mandates here and people still wear their masks I’d say 80% of the time. Almost everyone stopped wearing them after the vaccine arrived, but started again when Delta came roaring in. It really is an idiotically (fabricated) partisan issue.

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Yeah. That sounds a bit like a nightmare I had recently. I had to do a public speaking gig recently. No masks on stage because of political issues at my job. Couldn’t be virtual, like last year, for the same reason. On stage was 15 feet from the nearest people and I felt freaked out. I wore my mask the rest of the time. Maybe 10% mask use in attendees. They were stuck in the same room together for at least 6 hours for two days. shudder the ballroom was cold because the hotel was running the a/c constantly. Hopefully routing either fresh air in or thru HEPA filters.

I love your description of the side effects

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