SF Muni spends anti-terror money on fare evaders because it's a gateway to terrorism

Forget all that stuff about the police. The point is that you can get money for anti-terrorist work.

Why do you think that Millitech, a company where we buy our parts for radio telescope receivers, shifted into the airport millimeter-wave airport porn scanning business? It’s where the money is. I was just suggesting today to my coworkers that we find an anti-terrorist angle to radio astronomy to get more funding.

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That little part about breaking the law. I pay for the train, so should everyone else. If not, you get stopped.

well, it’s radio astronomy, you could be listening to terrorists hatch their plots instead of cosmic background radiation.

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Maybe if some congress critters were paranoid enough to believe that the next big terrorist threat would come from somewhere far beyond our universe…

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If you care about it so much, why did you call it BS?

Compared to human traffiking or homicide it is, but like many other minor offenses (shoplifting, illegal parking) I think it should be enforced. Also- hyperbole- and vodka.

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That’s illegal? Isn’t sitting on your stoop as legal as sitting on your couch? What the hell? As long as you aren’t obstructing the sidewalk, and get out of the way when other people who live in the apartment need to get up the stairs… I just don’t understand.

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I don’t know NYC ordinances. But where I work that’s perfectly legal IF its your stoop. We have a lot of problems with dealers taking over other people’s porches (usually the elderly, meaning the legit tenants, not the interlopers). They figure grandma will be too intimidated to call on a group of gang members. “Who lives here?” often results in a rapid mass exodus.

What was written was stoop sitting. I live in Seattle where we don’t have a lot of walk-ups and the like, so I just assumed that what was being talked about was people sitting on their own stoop, with their friends which would be semi-public and would be useful for participating in the neighborhood and such. Apparently after a little googling a lot of “stoop sitting” is by people who don’t have implicit or explicit permission of the owners, and they’re using other people’s stoops as meeting places for a variety of illegal activities.

I dunno, in the Seattle area there’s a lot of space, not so many people crammed together, so it’s easier to avoid stepping on uninvolved peoples toes when doing illegal stuff. Before pot was legalized, I’d meet people in parks and such to buy weed. We’d leave the place cleaner than it was when we arrived.

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Because they will wear funny hats. And shirts that say “I [image of cartoon bomb] NY”

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You know, that shirt could be actually a viable design…

There is no way someone hasn’t already made that shirt.

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“Too soon?” In best Gilbert Gottfried voice…

It’s just one (of a few) pages with links from the BBS that don’t work - change the .html to .htm and it works fine (even though the page is .html) @beschizza, what’s up with that?

I prefer hyperbolic geometry and wine, but fair enough.

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You aren’t supposed to talk about that. I’ve said too much already…

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Worth mentioning: a fare-evader was killed during a shootout with SFPD officers in 2011. Later they concluded that he actually shot himself. Make of that what you will.

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You’re right, and indeed I left out an important detail: I meant sitting on stoops drinking beer. But on hot summer nights in the lower east side of NYC in the 90s, before things got all fancy down there, that was practically an institution.

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It feels very condescending. You can go to a bar, drink till your BAC is 0.078, and drive home, no problem. You can drink in your home till you’ve got some astronomical BAC, let’s say 0.15, and go out in public and do whatever you feel like provided you’re not harassing anyone. But drink a beer or two on what amounts to your front porch, or the sidewalk in front of it, and that’s a citation. Just seems very arbitrary and specifically focused to pick on the homeless, who have as much a right to get shitfaced as anyone else.

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Very thoroughly agreed. Much that happened during that Giuliani administration was like that. It was like NYC suddenly had a very pissed off principal and we were all being summoned for detention.

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