Forget running for president… can we just send Sanders out with Killer Mike to slap some people? I’d pay to watch that on the youtubes or whatever.
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It’s also an object lesson in inequality. Unless there is something I don’t know, it seems far preferable to be slapped by one of those men than the other.
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Yeah, I wouldn’t want to be slapped by Bernie either! He’s pissed!!! 
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They are free to study it if they like, but must understand that it may mean that finding a paying job as a philosopher could be difficult and that there will likely be a challenge paying off the loan.
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My point is that philosophy, history, literary pursuits, etc, are all worth studying and understanding for humanity, and it shouldn’t be the domain of the elite, because then they are dictating to us what the world means, and then it’s back to the feudal days, where the only people to get that sort of education were elites.
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I agree to that should only be 1% interest on school loans that is ridiculous, unlike the religious M group that against their religion to pay any interest on anything, and our gov. allows it… so you may be able to file discrimination suit against the gov. for allowing such reverse prejudice behaviors.
Um. What? I’m confused what the religious prohibition in Islam on usury has to do with student loans?
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Indeed they are. @MBrody my philosophy degree didn’t get me a job, but it has absolutely helped me in every job I’ve had. Education has value that’s completely separate from any kind of job skill, even though both are important and useful.
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Dude, amen. Art history studies myself, and a general humanities autodidact in my spare time. Although I will never be even close to middle class, my education has allowed me to understand, interract, and be a part of my community that has just as much value as any material or economic value I may have created had I made educational choices based solely on economics. Learning HOW to think is far more valuable than learning WHAT to think, and should be the foundation of every education. Skills can be acquired as needed, and skills change and evolve, but a solid grounding in critical and analytical thought is singularly valuable, and THAT is what a humanities or liberal arts type education provides, and what is so often overlooked by the MBAs and STEMs. It’s also, on a personal level, made me incalculably happier and improved my life in so many intangible ways.
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This is going to sound weird, but when I saw K. Mike working the phone banks, I got a little emotional, realizing that Sanders is incredibly special, a once in a lifetime opportunity to make (even a small) difference. I’ve been a K.M. fan for a long time, and I’ve been a fan of justice, intelligence, and compassion for much longer. Seeing K. M. advocate for Mr. Sanders moved me very deeply. For anyone wondering why Killer Mike is relevant, start with his ‘Reagan’ music video.
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He’s an amazing artist and all around awesome human being. I’m proud to be living in the same metro area as the man.
Here ya go!
KILLER MIKE FOR VICE PRESIDENT!!!
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Atlanta, right? You guys have had quite a run of amazing artists over the last few decades.
Oooooh, would we get a Sanders/Killer Mike mix tape of GOP disses 
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Yeah, the ATL has been central in the current crop of hip-hop, especially. But it’s generally always been pretty central to the southern music industry, at least as much as Nashville and Memphis.
MBAs, definitely.
STEM, I doubt they won’t teach you thinking. On the contrary - you get to deal with hard stuff that intrinsically makes sense, that doesn’t rely on interpretation, that either works or does not work (or is flaky so you know you have to retry) and can be prototyped or measured or experimentally proved/disproved. The reality itself provides the reality checks.
Also, look around - everything that is built from a man-made material, and/or is transported over non-negligible distance, every piece of technology, is dependent on STEM.
Today you cannot understand the world without sci/tech. Every other field is negotiable, STEM on at least the basic level is not.
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Yes, but literally no one is attacking STEM fields here or any where else.
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The further importance of STEM is that you have to learn, understand and internalize (at least when it is taught well enough) that math and physics don’t care about anything - the interpretation of history can be colored by who won a particular skirmish, but the underlying rules for the flight models of their missiles will be the same for both sides, for example. (Aberrations like Lysenkoism or “jewish physics” or “cybernetics, the bourgeois pseudoscience” exist but typically won’t last too long as it shows sooner or later that it just doesn’t work. Cf. weird philosophies and various -isms that tend to stick around.) Similar and more complex with art.
Fields without such firm, non-negotiable underlying frameworks are of a bit more limited application. Somewhat useful, still, but I for one, when it comes to handling a complex system with many fixed rules, would trust more an engineer/physicist/mathematician than, say, a poetry major.
I would argue that chemistry will teach you all you want to know about burning phosphorus except who you’re burning with it and why. Both are incredibly important questions and I don’t view that as being more optional than STEM. Molecules are dispassionate, but we aren’t. Also if you read Lewontin’s Biology as Ideology essay (no idiot as far as his field is concerned) he makes a compelling case that we human beings prioritize our scientific explanations based on what information we wish to apply for social and economic reasons. Usually there are multiple equally valid ways of explaining a phenomenon and scientists tend to pick the ones that get them funding or money. Just look at how direction from the government pushes pure researchers to “cancerize” everything, because that’s where the money is. It’s true that none of this changes the fundamentals of the universe, but I can’t pretend that science is insulated from history, economics, and sociology. Relevant: Fuck Elsevier.
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I was going to go there and then I figured I’d go bang my head against a brick wall instead of arguing the value of the Humanities to @shaddack since banging my head would likely be more rewarding. There is a class of engineering geeks out there that don’t seem to understand the point of a Humanities education or the role of things like philosophy or ethics in discussions.
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No one is comparing STEM folks to poetry majors… rather I’m arguing for the importance of both. But hey, why should you listen to me. I’m just some stupid historian.
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