Study: people who believe in innate intelligence overestimate their own

I have an annoying older brother who finds maths and other subjects really easy. He got chronic fatigue syndrome in high school and stayed in his room for two years before returning to school just in time to take his A levels at the same time as me, with only three months to take two years worth of school. He took maths and further maths and got 97% in his worst module, while I couldn’t get my brain to focus at all. On the other hand, I’d always find intelligence tests easy, so the assumption was that I should be very successful. Meanwhile, my brother would have maths books by his bed for bedtime reading. Damn his robotic powers of concentration.

(It got a lot better once I left school, although I did have to retake my A levels)

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On the other hand, I can cycle for over an hour at Usain Bolt’s top speed in the 100 m dash (which he only maintains for a short time). I’m still using my own power and I have none of Usain Bolt’s ability or commitment, but after a few hundred metres he won’t see me for dust. I can also see flaws in the thinking of people like Isaac Newton, as could any teenager who has studied physics to a reasonable level. Innate ability can be trumped by many other factors, especially if someone relies on it too much.

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Walking (or running) is for critters who can’t invent the wheel.

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I’ve paid good money to get in that state.

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That’s what I’ve heard before and what I try to do with my own kids. However, I don’t have any control over what other people say to them and, as I spend a lot of time teaching other people’s 18+ year old children, my interest is more in the question “How do I return someone to growth mindset?”

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Those interested should look into Carol Dweck’s extensive ongoing work on this topic.

http://news.stanford.edu/pr/2007/pr-dweck-020707.html

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In Dweck’s studies her team found a way to induce growth of implicit mindsets in university students for the purpose of testing.

I’d say we can all do it with focused effort but, like many self-improvement exercises, it goes against cultural defaults so maintaining it might be a challenge - but what a worthy challenge!

Supposedly the communication style we use with children can be an important factor for their mindset in maturity.

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I think it’s already been formed by Dunning and Kruger.

You just blew my mind.

Thank you!

Read Dweck’s papers for the details on how they induced the growth flexible intelligence mindset in university students.

Maybe some of it could be applied…

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Better yet, assign them! :smile:

I agree/think subextroardinaire hits on a truly valid point here - clearly there are innate individual differences in speed/aptitude for learning/“intelligence”, and individual capacity for exceptional/unique intellectual/creative “brilliance”. As much as it may be attractive to believe otherwise, IME this phenomenon is more or less obvious/apparent… and I think most would concur (that there are indeed real individual innate differences). …But…also the notion that “intelligence” (or at least “aptitude”) is “fixed” and cannot be trained/modified is clearly false - and it seems equally clear that there are many forms/manifestations of “intelligence” (artistic, creative, analytical/intellectual, verbal, “technical”, social etc. etc.) - most of which are not possible to assess through testing, or any other supposedly “objective” analysis of that sort. Education / experience / environment / upbringing / opportunity / training etc. are undoubtedly critical determinants in this equation, and probably, on-balance, outweigh the effect of so-called “innate” intelligence. I’m not a developmental psychologist or education specialist of any sort, but…I just find it hard to believe there truly is no-such-animal as innate intelligence (whatever form it takes/whatever is done with it).

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Do you have a link? Also, what is an implicit mindset?

Dweck’s teacher that year, Mrs. Wilson, seated her students around the room according to their IQ. The girls and boys who didn’t have the highest IQ in the class were not allowed to carry the flag during assembly or even wash the blackboard, Dweck said. “She let it be known that IQ for her was the ultimate measure of your intelligence and your character,” she said. “So the students who had the best seats were always scared of taking another test and not being at the top anymore.”

WTF!?!!???!!!??!!??!

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Her generation got a lot of that :frowning:

I don’t have the specific one, but I believe it’s mentioned in this Wikipedia article.

More goodies:

http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=Carol+Dweck+college+students+self+concept+of+intelligence&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

I looked at the article that I read by Dweck, and it’s not the actual study per se. This was a summary of her actual study for an administrator professional journal (Principal Leadership January 2010).

However she cites the actual study: Muller, C.M., and Carol Dweck (1998). “Intelligence Praise can Undermine Motivation and Performance.” Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 75, 33-52.

I also have a a couple of student-friendly (super short) motivational essays that use Zweck’s study. These might be more up your alley for your CoCo students. One is Randy Borum’s “A Winning Mindset.” Black Belt Magazine, April 2008. The other is by Michelle Manafy, “Change Your Mind,” Econtent Magazine 16 March 2007.

I would do links but I’m on my phone, and it isn’t all that agreeable with multi-tasking.

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I know I joked about it above, but I really do have objective metrics that tell me I’m at least a one-in-a-million fast-thinker* - probably faster. I think fast-thinking is often what people mean when they say “smart”. As someone who has had that experience, I wish I could communicate to people that there is no more reason to worry that people have different natural mental abilities than there is to worry that people have differing natural physical abilities. Instead, we need to have a cultural shift away from thinking a person’s intelligence is a proxy for their worth.

It’s what use that things are being put to that matters, and nearly all tasks you need to meet a certain threshold to be adequate, and exceeding that threshold provides little additional value. If a job requires you to be able to carry 50lbs over extended periods, the fact that you can carry 70lbs doesn’t make much difference. Similarly, a job that requires you to be able to do certain mental tasks usually doesn’t allow you use intelligence beyond what is needed. Just like the person who can lift more, it makes the task you are given seem easy, but it doesn’t make you especially better at getting it done.

And just like Michael Phelps or Usain Bolt, once you get out of the realm of competition, there just aren’t tasks out there that lend themselves to the limits of human capacity.

Even in areas of pure thought that are highly amenable to innovation, vast intelligence isn’t necessarily that much help. Math professors and great programmers are usually going to be very smart people because those tasks have a high bar for entry, not because there is a huge payoff for exceeding that bar. Innovation is fundamentally a team sport, and the people we credit for great innovations in history are people who were often only months or in some cases days ahead of other people who were working on the exact same thing.

People blame low intelligence on all sorts of things from showing up late to work to voting Republican. But pretty much everything blamed on low intelligence is really showing a lack of another skill. Teach mindfulness, empathy and cognitive behavioural therapy techniques in grade school and 80% of what we call “stupidity” would be vastly improved (especially the stupidity from very smart people). An actual systematic problem with lack of intelligence in society would be something like if we couldn’t find enough people to be rocket scientists or chemical engineers.

This study is telling us that people who believe in innate intelligence overestimate their own intelligence, but I would bet what we are really seeing is that people who tie intelligence to identity vastly overestimate their intelligence, and vastly overestimate how much intelligence can tell you about a person. Many also probably feel that having a high intelligence entitles them to something, and use the intelligence they have to come up with elaborate justifications for that hypothesis. I can think of a at least one person who is clearly extremely intelligent who doesn’t seem to have anything better to do with their intelligence then make up justifications for white nationalism.

* I won’t share details of evidence for my intelligence because it would require sharing information that could identify me (and if it couldn’t, it probably wouldn’t be evidence of such an lofty claim).

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Unless it is something routine and the added intelligence allows you to automate it.

Well, we aren’t exactly swimming in good chemical engineers. :frowning:

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I’m sure there are lots of times when you could say, “Job A requires skills X and Y” where if you add skill Z suddenly you get a ton better at A. I know plenty of smart people who don’t know how to automate routine computer tasks, though. This is about knowing a particular skill that helps a lot. And I think if it was taught well, very basic computer programming would be accessible to a lot of people. Of course then people I work with would no longer think I was so kind of wizard.

I don’t doubt it!

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Yup. It is mostly about the thinking style, about analyzing and specifying the problem accurately enough. Then it is either about learning some language and doing it yourself, or at least writing understandable specifications - which is a skill that’s annoyingly rare. It’s often easier to learn person’s job and THEN write the code required than trying to get specs from them.

Indeed. The structured thinking is more important, though. The code itself can help here, though.

Mom got that position just by being able to write simple excel macros and, earlier, dBase III queries.

And then we end up with chemophobic society that craps well-baked bricks when it sees a multisyllable name of a compound.

It is sort of comical, though.

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