There are other demands in Leviticus that we should insist Hobby Lobby follow. For instance, paying their employees daily:
19:13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
They’d better make absolutely sure that if they have scales to weigh their goods, those scales are accurately calibrated. If they cut a length of cloth, they must not cut it any shorter, even slightly, than they claim it to be.
19:35 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure.
These may seem a little out-of-date or unreasonable, but:
19:37 Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: I am the LORD.
Out of curiosity, how many Hobby Lobby stores are on land that the company claims to have purchased?
25:23 The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
Agreed. I spend my crafting money at Joannes myself. But the few times I had been in a Hobby Lobby prior to all this, I found it kind of a sad place anyway. I don’t know what it was, but it just kind of creeped me out a bit.
That’s a good question. I don’t think under the ACA that an insurance company can not cover birth control, but I don’t know. But, I think that’s something we’ll just have to see how this is implemented in practice. According to the majority opinion, there should be no interruption in coverage for birth control.
The question is what other spaces does this open up for corporations to claim religious exemptions. And at what point does that infringe on the religious practices/lack thereof of the rest of us.
Fair enough. But how much until there is serious push back on those issues. the more these corporations push for exemptions for acting as good citizens, the more the burden falls on the US government or more likely state governments, and the worse things look all around. Of course, those who support this decision are likely against that too, but that’s what will happen. More likely, other private interests will step up to fill in the gap, I’d suspect.
My point was that, according to the supremes there should be no interruptions. Do I think that’s even remotely true? Of course not. I do think it’s important to have clarity on what the decision actually says, versuses what people think it says. This of course says nothing about implementation, just about what they said.
This is all based on the RFRA, which was passed in 93, ironically, to protect minority religious rights. I think it involved some Native American groups. @Ambiguity has a point about religious freedoms. The problem of course is when religious freedoms start to trump other rights, like the right to access to health care in this case. The Supremes in theory tried to balance the two, but clearly, it leans one way. We all know that. Towards the corporations using religion as a fig leaf to get out of their obligations to their employees and putting it on someone else.
Edited to add: I want to make clear here that I don’t support or think this was a good decision in anyway. I just think it’s important to know exactly what the decision was and how the Supremes justified their thinking on it. I do think understanding that matters. It’s still a shit decision, but more because it’s about corporations are people, I think.
Yes, and not to mention that many women take contraceptives for other health purposes aside from pregnancy prevention. Extremely painful ovarian cysts, for example.
Fuck the conservative scumbags on the Supreme Court and FUCK Hobby Lobby. I will NEVER purchase a fucking thing from that evil shithole ever again.
Something tells me you hadn’t spent a lot of time there before.
I used to shop there for myself and for gifts. I knew the owner was religious or whatever, but I didn’t hold that against him. I bought a bunch of shit there for gifts, etc. just last Christmas.
Never again. Actually, I want to return anything and everything I’ve ever bought and get my money back. If they won’t take it back, I want to fucking burn their shit in their parking lot. I feel horrible that my money went to support these fucking hypocritical evil sacks of corporatist shit.
Despite what corporatist appeasers, charlatans and idiots like David A. Cortman say, this is NOT about religion for Hobby Lobby, by the way. It’s about corporatism and oppressing the general public under the guise of religion. So much evil is perpetrated against us under the guise of religion and now it’s happening again.
Hobby Lobby’s Hypocrisy: The Company’s Retirement Plan Invests in Contraception Manufacturers
When Hobby Lobby filed its case against Obamacare’s contraception mandate, its retirement plan had more than $73 million invested in funds with stakes in contraception makers.
I don’t think you were the only one with that question. According to the IRS it is a corporation where at least 50% of the stocks are held by less than 5 people.
It doesn’t matter how painful. If the cysts were jolly, it would still be appropriate for insurance to cover treatment.
Which makes me recall an interesting possible solution. There’s a prescription drug that works great as an antidepressant. It happens to have a side-effect of making it easy to quit smoking - but for that purpose, it’s marketed under a different name. Same drug, different brand.
When I wanted to quit smoking, my doctor found that my insurance wouldn’t pay for the quit-smoking pills. So he prescribed some antidepressants, which were covered just fine. Couldn’t the same strategy just end-run this entire issue? Give all the ladies some “ovarian cyst” pills?
What is to stop insurance companies from jacking up membership costs for enrollee companies who don’t play fair? What is to stop insurers in insurance marketplaces from offering discounted plans to individuals who wish to opt out of their shitty company plan?
As I understand the new health laws, nothing, in either case.
Sure, it’s a shit decision by SCOTUS, but I see it as nothing more than more price warring. At least we have that.
Ginsburg pretty much nailed it in her dissent. Namely this point:
“Would the exemption…extend to employers with religiously grounded objections to blood transfusions (Jehovah’s Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus); and vaccinations[?]…Not much help there for the lower courts bound by today’s decision.”
Women shouldn’t have to jump through hoops and loopholes for their health care. It’s time to attack the corporatists head on and unseat them from power within our government.
Then again, I’m actually beginning to think this is what some average Americans deserve.
I just wish the damage was only limited to those who vote Republican and the percentage of dunces in America that continue to fall for false equivalency between Democrats and Republicans and don’t vote or throw away their votes when they have the chance to vote in a lesser evil with much less damaging long-term consequences for us all.
Not that many in America have the attention span to fucking watch that interview all the way through or anything, nor comprehend its ramifications. Fuck it.
America is an embarrassment. Welp, good luck with Iraq, suckers. Fuck this country.
HINT: To dense fucking Americans who didn’t see a trend in those pictures up there. Every single one of them was sworn in by Republicans.
