Teens in trouble after Nazi salutes go viral

#35

I have several similar stories from when I was a similar age–I was a precocious child ahead of the school curriculum in my reading, and had a personal morbid fascination for everything I could learn on my own about WWII–except I never got the awkward conversation with the teacher (or any other observing adult, for that matter). I look back on that period with a full-body cringe for everyone involved, because someone should have seen a fifth-grader checking out Mein Kampf from the library (for example) and had a compassionate educational sit-down with me. Thank goodness the internet didn’t really exist back then.

In hindsight, the key thing was missing in my education (and age-standard level of emotional maturity) at that point was the understanding that these terrible things weren’t in the abstract extremely distant past like most of the history I had been taught, but still directly affected some of my own classmates and friends. I wasn’t able to truly grasp that on my own until several years later.

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#36

History in a nutshell:
Previously - The 49 teens who have some Nazi stunt had it backfire on them and got shamed on the internet.
Other teen: “When I do it, everybody is going to think it’s a funny joke.”
Result - 50 Nazi stunts have been shamed by the internet.

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#37

I think the only fake nazi I ever met was a gay guy who thought the outfits/design aesthetic was sort of hot.

I’ve encountered quite a few real nazis of the neo variant.

Anyway I guess I’m on the side of Mel Brooks regarding the hilarity of nazis in general and I do find the idea of a nazi salute plague amusing at least, I get visions of air traffic controllers and traffic cops messing up their work at crucial moments leading to chaos and death by sieg heil-itis.

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#38

It’s a good, chilling movie. And shows the truth of C.S. Lewis’ comment:

The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid “dens of crime” that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices.

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#39

Well, he made fun of them, but he never thought making fun of them was enough.

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#45

Reminds of me of my preteen years when my friend and I enjoyed calling his Dad a dildo pretending we didn’t know what that meant.

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#47

I went to this high school. Unless things have changed a lot, I don’t think that the curriculum is the problem. I was taught enough about the Holocaust, by engaged and well-prepared teachers, that I was inspired to learn more about it on my own time. Every summer, in fact.

But I did go to this school. And unless things have changed a lot, the choice to remain ignorant about the deep-seated embracing of inequality and the “right” of the privileged to sneer at the powerless will overwhelm that education every time.

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#48

Anyone else getting a whiff of sarcasm from the superintendent here? As in don’t buy this as ignorant kids joking around. They had opportunity to learn and know better, but the chucklefucks still decided to do this.

I could be wrong, it’s just the sense I get.

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#51

Education and awareness is the best condom to protect against fascism, STIs, and unplanned pregnancy (plus also using condoms for the sex stuff).

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#52

I never said it was either.

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#53

I remember having to take a permission letter to my parents allowing me to watch parts of Schindler’s List during a lesson despite being too young (BBFC age restrictions don’t apply to schools unlike other public spaces, it was a courtesy to parents). I don’t think anyone said no.

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#54

They need to be spanked, have their mouths washed out with soap, and lose their TV privileges for at least a month. Also, they should be forced to take an IQ test, and then a full semester of European history. That oughta do it about reich.

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#55

Maus should be in Common Core.

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#56

Don’t forget about teaching about slavery and the native american genocide too so that the us-american youth doesn’t think “Can’t happen here because 'murica”.

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#57

Oh, boy, can you just imagine the shitstorm that would result from actually, honestly teaching the Native American genocide? All the “American exceptionalism” crap would come under question. But seriously, given the insane level of influence Texas has over textbook publishers, that will never happen.

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#58

Okay. thanks… I guess you don’t have to trust the word of a historian of the cold war? :wink:

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#59

Whooops! Sorry there, I spaced that.
I love your historical posts.
Was more or less posting in support of you.

I should know better than to try to learning-curve QuickBooks and stop by BB for a quick looksee.

Btw Velvet Revolution always sounded to me like an ideal jam band name if oh I dunno Prince + Velvet Underground mashups. I suppose in some point of royal history there was a fabric revolution in robes too, so there’s probably some period dress historians who are already using that joke. As a former longtime restaurant worker, it also sounds like what the front end decides to call the pastry chef’s latest creation, about 30 minutes before the house opens for the dinner shift.

Peace.
Thanks for all you do!

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#60

Damn it that Lou and Prince are now dead… I’d love to have seen that in reality…

Also, I love that Tracy Chapman album.

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