The Democratic Party is surging thanks to leftist policies, but its leadership are convinced they have to stop it

As long as they keep voting for eternal war, and nominating warmongers for national office, they’ll still just be a wing of the eternal war party.

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The lovechild of Satan and Karl Marx

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Dude, the ‘filibuster proof majority’ included Joe Lieberman, who wasn’t even a democrat by then. Lieberman wouldn’t allow a ‘public option’, and presumably wouldn’t allow anything to the left of it.

You have to spin a better story than just ‘they had the votes for true gay space communism’ but didn’t do it because they are traitors.

Mine is: with enough bankers heads on pikes and a debt jubilee the 65 seat D senate majority passes universal healthcare in 2010… but Obama was never on board for anything like that.

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So I guess this refutes the argument that anyone with a D after their name is better than a Republican. If you can’t count on your fellow party members to vote in the affirmative on critical party platform elements, what the hell good is having the majority?

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If you want that to appear to be a serious argument you need to somehow work around the bit where Lieberman was not a Democrat at the time.

Having the majority means you get to decide which bills are brought to the floor for debate / and or vote. McConnell simply decides he’s not going to allow a vote on Garland for the supremes, it doesn’t happen.

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Tim, I’ve been hearing this from the adults in the room for 40+ years.

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The function of superdelegates is to curtail anti war, economic progressives like George McGovern. The check isn’t against demagogues.

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The origins of the superdelegate system are a complex series of stories, but you’re correct that since 1992 and especially since 2016 the Third-Way Dem establishment has been doing a lot of retconning to make it seem as if it was originally implemented to hold off demagogues and candidates who weren’t party members. The entire superdelegate system has to go as it is a blemish on a party that calls itself “Democratic”.

Given that over that period they’ve only succeeded when they had the good fortune to nominate a charismatic star like Bill Clinton or Obama they might more accurately be called “the tweens in the room.”

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The McGovern-Fraser Commission, which gave full nomination power to the elected delegates, created an environment where an insurgent – McGovern himself, as it happens – could take the nomination. Centrist outsider Jimmy Carter was likewise elected under these rules. The superdelegates, proposed by the Hunt commission, were designed to prevent such an insurgency in the future. The commission was concerned with electability, not platform; some commission members publicly worried about southern conservative insurgents. Their premise, right or wrong, was that elected officials, having successfully navigated the election process, were more likely to understand what it takes for a candidate to succeed than the primary voters.

The two reforms were a pair of overcorrections.

There is a nice discussion of this history here:

Just to be clear, I canvassed for McGovern in '72, caucused for him in '84, and caucused for Sanders in '16, so I’m not coming from the perspective of the right of the Party.

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(for reasons unrelated to Labour’s platform)

A fair attempt at a dodge but the whole thread is about policy and platform. Not personality.

So why mention Corbyn at all? Labour has been “moderately socially democratic” for years, even when the Blairites were in charge.

You need to read the Party talking points better.
The panel that wrote the bill was half Republicans and half the most conservative Democrats.

Even before that the Democratic Party scuttled serious change before the talks even began:
They immediately said that negotiating drug prices was “off the table”
They immediately said single payer was “off the table”
They immediately said reforming Medicare part D was “off the table”
They very quickly said drug reimportation was “off the table”
They twisted arms hard against the public option.
Taxing so-called “Cadillac plans” was in before the committee was formed

In short, they worked hard to make sure there would be no serious structural reforms. It wasn’t just Lieberman, and it wasn’t just the public option. You either have a very poor memory or weren’t paying attention.

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Lookout, though! The GOP has created a spreadsheet!

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“Vote for the enemy! At least that way someone will win!” isn’t a very inspiring slogan.

When the alternatives are to drop your pants, bend over, and face either the right or also to the right but slightly less so (your choice). What more has to change for it to be time to reach for the stars instead?

And one of the primary functions of the electoral college was to prevent a popular but incompetent wacko candidate from getting the presidency. The concept of having a check in place makes sense, but it clearly needs some work.

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And which of those things done differently would have given a larger Senate majority in 2008?

Now you’re just tossing word salad with a mildly accusatory tone.
And you are so intent on it that you have forgotten the difference between “before” and “after”.
You have distorted, deflected, and now are spouting errant nonsense.
There is nothing to be gained by engaging with you any longer.

Money. FTFY.

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